Thoughts on Azerbaijan - Armenia issue?

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/armenia-declares-war-martial-law-effect-tank-warfare-azerbaijan-erupts-disputed

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[–]Minedwe 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Armenia is undeniably what we should be supporting, but the Turkroaches and Azerbaijigaboos have a way larger army and have already stated that their intention is to annihilate the Armenians completely (as in, genocide them). I'm really hoping someone intervenes here. I'm already somewhat fond of Putin but if he supports Armenia I'll be behind him even more.

To make matters worse, the South Koreans and US Government and other cucked groups have been spoonfeeding the dune coons advanced current/next generation weapons systems for years

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    [–]Minedwe 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Indeed. Russia, or anyone really, needs to intervene and help them.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We should back Armenia.

    [–]Wrangel 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Completely back armenia.

    Armenians are relatively white even though they have been somewhat mixed with various middle eastern groups. They speak a European language, have one of the oldest and most trad churches in the world and have fought the Turks for a thousand years. Azerbaijanis are a muslim Turkish people who don't belong in the region but have through centuries of aggression moved their positions forward. They participated in the armenian genocide in which 1.5 million Armenians were murdered by the Turks.

    Armenians have defended themselves and Europe from Turkish/muslim invasions for hundreds of years. The province they are fighting over has churches that were built during the Roman empire, the Azerbadjanis would turn them into mosques if they could. Compared to the area that Armenians used to have they now don't have much land left. When Muslims are pushing into the Caucasus mountains we need to stop them. The province that they are fighting over is 98% Armenian but officially a part of Azerbadjan even though it is more or less independent. Now Azerbadjan wants to subjugate the Armenians in that province and force them to be ruled by muslim Turks.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I hope Armenia wins, but its unlikely. Azerbaijan has three times as the population of Armenia and won a small victory in the last war for the region more than a decade ago. Racially they have about the same IQ and are both genetically mostly J1a, that is natives of the caucasus. i So Armenia has no racial advantage when it comes to soldier quality when like Israel did with the Arabs. Russia has to arm them or they're toast

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Are you sure about that?

    If you read between the lines on the casualty count propaganda numbers, you can probably safely assume the losses are 4:1 in favor of Armenia if not worse. And we Armenians are at a deficit in every possible metric. We would have far less losses if not for Israeli drones that are difficult to counter.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Both sides make wild claims. It seems as though Azerbaijan is inflicting higher losses on armenia

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's very difficult to say because Azeri losses are by design. They will purposely load a bus full of Tatars, Syrians, or whomever they designate as cannon fodder and send them to attack Artsakh. The defenders will kill the attackers in the hundreds, but by popping their heads up, they get killed by Israeli and Turkish drones.

    Azerbaijan doesn't really care about manpower or resources so I think from an attrition standpoint, they are definitely inflicting higher losses.

    [–]asterias 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The cryptojews of Salonica played a crucial role in the Armenian Genocide through the 'Young Turks' movement.

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/11/why-wont-israel-acknowledge-the-armenian-genocide-the-donmeh-jewish-leadership-of-turkey-was-responsible/

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Armenians are relatively white even though they have been somewhat mixed with various middle eastern groups.

    Lmfao no to both statements

    We're not white or middle eastern, we're just Armenian. When you've been around so long that your DNA is virtually unchanged since the Bronze Age, you have the right to be indignant about being put into Western categories/labels.

    The rest of what you said is accurate.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Armenia is kinda fucked if Russia doesn't support them. Azerbaijan has 3 times as much population and is supplied with Israeli drones

    [–]Sami_alHayid 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Things are far worse for Armenia now than years ago.

    Armenia's previous conservative government was effectively a Russian ally. Now Armenia is governed by pro-Western liberals. Putin is probably on better terms with Aliyev and Erdogan than the incumbent Armenian government. I don't see the EU rushing to defend Armenia like Russia normally would have.

    With Coronavirus, Hong Kong problem, etc. most of the world powers will sit aside. Now is the best time in decades for China to move on HK. It is also the best time in decades for Azerbaijan to move on Nagorno-Karabakh.

    How is Armenia going to stand against the entire Muslim world, with no one on their side? It's laughable. The Azeris will win a serious war. They have a larger population, better diplomatic relations with neighbours, larger military, higher birth rates and so on. Some huge portion of Armenia's population has already migrated overseas, weakening them even more. Things will tip more and more in the Azeri's favour over the coming years.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The situation isn't as bad as you think. The Islamic world is all bark and little bite. Iran could face US invasion any day now. Iraq and Syria are war torn hellholes. Egypt and Lebanon are mired in crisis. Turkey can bark all it wants, but it won't send troops to Armenia. NATO isn't obliged to defend them in an offensive war they started.

    Besides, all that is irrelevant. Russia will sit around as long as the situation isn't too bad. However, if Armenia looks on the brink of defeat, they will absolutely march in. They even have troops stationed in Armenia. No way they'd allow a western backed, Islamist state to overrun an orthodox neighbor