Can someone just simply explain what "pilpul" is?

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[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's the jewish method of lying/arguing.

Hitler's quote is basically the tl;dr:

The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn’t help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn’t help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. He had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn’t remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn’t know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.

Gradually, I began to hate them.

To learn to recognise you're speaking to a bad faith actor, which most of the time is a jew, you should read Arthur Schopenhauer's The Art of Being Right you can find it on libgen called 'The Art of Controversy', it's 82 pages. This is basically the pilpul/talmudry 101 course, it's also likely Hitler was referencing Schopenhauer with his quote as it's known he was Hitler's favourite philosopher.

[–]AFutureConcern 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Before I read this quote I'd not seen anyone truly express the frustration I feel when arguing with Jews and leftist types. It really captures their tactics perfectly. Perhaps I'll pick up Schopenhauer as well.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Obviously you should read him but this little school of life video are a good start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0zmfNx7OM4

[–]antireddit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I hate to say it, but that quote is so dead on from what I’ve personally experienced its eery. Its almost a uniquely Jewish phenomenom and I can basically tell at this point when Im arguing with one.

Its actually this type of behavior that leaves me to doubt that they are more intelligent, or at least suggests they have serious gaps in their intelligence that are too abstract to show up on iq tests. They showed time and time again on reddit they were horrible debaters. I dont think i ever saw one not get demolished on DAR. It seems less like a conscious debate strategy than a genuine lack of self awareness, an inability to understand how they are perceived in real time.

Of course their power and arrogance has grown so much they no longer attempt to argue or debate, they simply ban, censor or instantly attack.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I say this to people who talk to me all the time, the jewish intelligence thing is very obviously a myth. Anyone who has actually talked to jews extensively knows that they're not bright at all and even the bright ones lack the kind of problem solving, creativity etc areas of intelligence. Their intelligence seems limited to learning systems and such, rather than discovery. They're essentially the inverse of the Faustian spirit; nothing new can come from the jew, only deconstruction.

[–]Erasmus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have to understand that Jews don't argue, they sell arguments. If you're buying? They're selling. But they're not buying. Ever.

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Has Schopenhauer written anything specifically useful to us as nationalists? I haven't read his stuff myself but judging on his book titles it doesn't seem like he has written stuff that would be relevant aside from exposing jewish tricks, that's probably the main reason.

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Found the text if anybody is interested.

    https://saidit.net/s/runebooks/comments/6c5u/essay_5_the_art_of_controversy_schopenhauer/

    [–]president_camacho 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If you want to know what pilpul is, have a debate with our friend doublereverse. He can illustrate it perfectly for you.

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    As far as I've seen it used it's just a way of blaming your opposition for not validating everything you say.

    [–]EuropeanAwakening 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You have no idea what you're on about.

    [–]DoubleReverse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Whenever somebody says it to me they're just trying to make it my fault that their fallacious argument didn't convince me we should discriminate against minorities.

    [–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The explanation I heard FTN, iirc, give was, it's a way of making a text say whatever you want it to say. It's practical use in legal realms is to analyze any law such that a client is innocent or a defendant is guilty, depending on your desired outcome. A way of twisting logic so you are always right.