Important thread: Yuri Bezmenov was never KGB and was a CIA stooge to spread anti-Russian propaganda

submitted by casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter from (self.debatealtright)

https://twitter.com/Robkearney1981/status/1287887282989490176

This forbidde knowledge is so forbidden that Call of duty includes it in its trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsBRGCabaog

This is part of the old nonsensical conservative spiel about how Russians are subverting America. In truth Yuri was a third rate journalist and Hindi interpreter who ''defected'' because the Soviets wouldn't let him racemix.

The CIA then recruited him to spread this anti-Russian propaganda. Its a means to shift the blame of Jewish cultural subversion in the US to the mythical Russian. All subversion in the US comes from two sources: Jews and WASP capitalists.

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[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Lol. Of course Yuri was working with the CIA. You don't defect to the united states and not coordinate your defection with the CIA. Yuri obviously had to flavor what he was saying to fit CIA handlers demands. Most dissidents read though the lines and understand the Yuri was talking about subversion programs that were originally created when international jews controlled Russia. Jews for the most part moved operations out of Russia and over to the United States in the 1950's and 60's which is why we see Jewish subversion elements crop up in the 60's and 70's. Russia was probably still running theses psyops but they were losing steam in the 80's and 90's when Russia went through an economic collapse (also orchestrated by Jews to help them buy up newly privatized Russia state industries). Yuri is describing a very real process and this process is now codified in algorithm systems like Ipsy mentioned in the Shadowgate documentary. Stop trying to discredit Yuri. What is your motivation? The alt right is not anti slavic or anti Russia. We are capable of reading the nuance of What Yuri was saying and we are capable of contextualizing when he said it.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm saying he's a fraud and these stories about Russian and Chinese subversions are red herrings. It diverts attention away from the real American Capitalist subverters to foreign boogeymen like Russia and China. Nothing the CIA does is in good faith, ever. He was not even KGB but a low level journalist and Hindi interpreter

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's a fraud

He's a spy.

and these stories about Russian and Chinese subversions are red herrings.

How so?

It diverts attention away from the real American Capitalist subverters to foreign boogeymen like Russia and China.

Like I said in my original comment. If you focus more on the methods and ignore the obvious 1980's cold war framing what Yuri said is spot on. Yuri wasn't allowed to say it but I have no doubt he's fully aware the people pushing international capitalism are the same as the people pushing international communism. The local capitalists and local communists are just pawns.

You're missing another important angle here. Yuri's message only appealed to capitalist white american right wingers because it was framed as anti Russia. He would have been ignored if had he attempted to describe the JQ and how a group of 'capitalists' use these same marxist tactics. Most Americans struggle to grasp the kosher sandwich and especial struggle to envision such a vile and low trust hive of malice an villainy. Americans are short term thinkers without the historical chops to grasp old world grudges. Americans assume good faith on behalf of strangers and they lack the creativity to understand the occult and Jewish crypto power. They lack the creativity to entertain the magnitude of the Jew crimes against humanity. (and I say all those things as an american who loves this country; but I'm fully aware of our eternal optimism, and penchance for the here and now)

[–]AFutureConcern 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yuri is describing a very real process

Yes exactly. I never got from people sharing Yuri's videos that they meant "it's the Russians" - on the contrary, I took it to be a factual explanation of the methods of subversion which are being used by communists today. Much like an old video explaining how a magic trick works, we can apply the knowledge of the trick even if it's a new performer - even if it's the old magician's son.

[–]ShiversRussia2017 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Wait you think Jews organised the collapse of the Soviet Union?What?

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well Jews organize the collapse of every country they occupy but the Jewish collapse of the economy in Russia in the early 90's is very well documented. Fash the nation did a Deep dive on it a few months ago. Look at who owns all the major industries in Russia today.

[–]ShiversRussia2017 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So the Jews made the Soviet Union invade Afghanistan, waste their money on an arms race with the US, made the people of Eastern Europe want freedom. I haven't seen a single historian who actually believes that.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I haven't seen a single state historian who actually believes that.

Imagine thinking the afghan war brought down the soviet union. kek.

[–]sylla94 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I would have said orchestrated

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I never believed the Bezmenov nonsense when I first heard it and I clearly learnt that it was Cold War anti-red propaganda. There may or may not be some truth to it (although the Western nu-left was highly astroturfed by Western intelligence agents and was barely connected to and opposed the more old left/Stalinist East, I'd go as far to say post-Doctor's Plot there was probably less Jewish influence on the Soviets than the Americans) but it is clearly something used to deflect the narrative. I'd wish the dissident right would be more sceptical of mainstream right-wing propaganda about communism and the Cold War, while the communists weren't great a lot has been greatly exaggerated and even where it is true it is used in bad-faith (eg: placing blame on the communism and trying to deflect from neoconservatism and capitalism).

Anti-communist sentiment in the right is highly abused. We same thing today with another movement known as "the counter-jihad movement!, where a Zionist and Saudi/UAE (ironic I know, I'll explain later)-backed astroturfed movement subverts popular negative sentiments towards migration from Muslim-majority countries into opposing the ideology and theology of Islam (or more specifically the Muslim Brotherhood, which is why Saudi and UAE support it) rather than the situation as a symptom of mass migration and the failure of multiculturalism. Regardless of your thoughts on Islam (I understand many of the criticisms, Islam and Christendom are historical enemies after all), it is used to direct energy from opposing such migration into opposing Islam's purported "bigotry" against gays, open sexuality, liberalism and Jews and to drum up support for pro-Jewish interventionism in the Middle East.

tl;dr: My point is Bezmenov is an example of greater powers manipulating certain sentiments for their own gain, subverting truths and misdirecting the anger at false enemies which just ends up doing the bidding of our enemies while also weakening ourselves.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. Its a diversionary tactic to draw attention away from the real subverters.

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I think his interview and presentation is good at exposing the tactics of ideological subversion. He is kosher on social media and just getting the common person to understand that the subversion is taking place through academia and Hollywood is a step in the right direction. All one needs to do is to add some context to connect the dots.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This doesn't surprise me one bit.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only thing I really dislike about the whole Bezmenov angle is the types who use it. Sure maybe the KGB amplified a certain type of corrosive liberalism in the West it's not impossible -- they're not the chief authors though, obviously -- but that clip is catnip for your Sargon type because it gives them a way not to address the real problem while still pointing the finger at a hostile faction.

Liberalists are addicted to that stupid video because it gives them another excuse not to actually blame the real powers and a way to be hostile without being called racist.

[–]Fitter_HappierWhite Nationalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Anyone have a twitter account to run threader on this?

[–]Mr_Tee 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

no need for a thx https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1287887282989490176.html