Refuting a big Cope: Deplatforming is extremely effective and Bitchute is a dead end

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[–]AFutureConcern 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The other major issue is fragmentation. Our enemies constantly shill 10+ different platforms, all with "free speech", and their goal is to fracture the community into tiny pieces so it's easier to mop up.

  • There was a time when right-wing thought had a hub on 4chan; then 4chan split into 4chan and 8chan, which split into 8kun.top and 8chan.moe.
  • Right-wing thought had a close-knit network of YouTubers who would go on each others' shows and promote each other, with the YouTube algorithm promoting their channels and channels peripheral to them; now to get videos you have to go to bitchute.com, lbry.tv and dlive.tv.
  • Right-wing thought had an active membership on Twitter; now Twitter bans large users central and peripheral to the network (Stefan Molyneux, Morgoth, Martin Sellner) and the services replacing Twitter are fractured - Parler, Gab, Telegram.
  • Right-wing thought was popular on Reddit; now there are many sites that serve that function - saidit.net, notabug.io, voat.co, among others

What can we do to counter this, given our enemies are watching our every move?

[–]Nationalism 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

First, it doesn't matter if we are being watched. That's the only way we will be able to convert normies. It also doesn't matter if you aren't doing anything illegal. And nobody should be doing anything illegal. And even if you wouldn't want people to watch, how much energy and time would one spend to achieve something like that? not worth it.

Now that that's out of the way, we need a way to seriously organize online and seriously commit to projects. The first being a place online that can't be taken down easily, and can be brought up without serious effort. For example, a group of communists are building an open source network called lemmyNet. We already have a fork called NobodyHasThe.Biz!. However the design isnt that good and the name is just terrible. We can create our own instance, and have everything backed up, in case of any failures, instead of starting over like we are doing at saidit.

Second, we need a way to financially contribute to legal (has to be said for any idiot reading this) projects while at the same time protecting peoples private information. For Example, using subscribeStar to contribute and help build projects. Maybe create some kind of online org, and have people commit at least $1 per month. Even with a small enough base, that's enough to build better things.

Third, also use Matrix + Element for real time chats. Its better if we host our own data, instead of relying on other services like telegram, though telegram has proven to be very good.

The reason why we have fragmentation is because of censorship and us keep making the same mistakes. We need to move of these centralized services, and build our own decentralized and distributed services. IPFS and Storj can be used to save and replicate data without the fear of losing it.

[–]AFutureConcern 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

These suggestions of yours seem to increase fragmentation:

  • Mention yet another platform nobodyhasthe.biz
  • Create another instance of that platform
  • Create a new online org

Matrix + Element looks interesting, but does it integrate with any of the other services here? Or is it more fragmentation?

[–]Nationalism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Optics is important. The name of that platform has no connection to anything being discussed there. Its not just creating another platform, its having fail safes in place if it were to go down. Having automated processes in place to make back ups, etc...

Creating a dedicated community that is willing to financially contribute is very important. Create a forum exclusively for members who pay dues is how other orgs do like the NRA, or anybody else.

Matrix protocol is a standard that can bridge to many different services: Currently there are official bridges for:

Gitter[39]
IRC[40]
Slack/Mattermost[41]
XMPP[42]

Bridges for the following notable applications are maintained by the community:

Apple iMessage
Discord[43]
Email
Facebook Messenger[44]
Google Hangouts
GroupMe
Mastodon
RSS/Twitter feeds
Signal Messenger[45]
Skype[46]
Telegram[47]
SMS
WeChat
Whatsapp[48]

That's from Wikipedia. We can create our own matrix instance and host ourselves and have our own chats that cannot be taken down by Apple or Google through the different app stores.

but hosting a matrix instance costs money, and nobody is going to do for free. We have the opportunity to build something strong and resilient this time around, we just need enough serious folks to make it happen.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True, I mean, its one thing to go to bitchute to watch a quality video, but who on earth is going to go gab or parler to read small talk? Plus the twitter format is only fun when you're jousting against someone, not when you're in a tiny ghetto where everyone has the same opinion as you