Even honest leftists are now coming to grips with the fact that feminism is a failure

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[–]cybitch 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Except ... https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's of course more complicated than that https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/is_marriage_really_bad_for_womens_happiness , there are a lot of personal variables that go into whether someone is happier single or married.

But just being "happy" is not (or rather shouldn't be) the ultimate goal of society - that's just recasting hedonism (pursuit of personal happiness over everything else) as a virtue. There is no guarantee that marrying and having white children is going to make you the happiest you could have been anymore than it might make a man happier than sitting in his apartment smoking weed and jacking off to porn, but it's necessary to preserve society against degrading into a third world country.

I believe a lot of it just comes down to personal ideology and attitude - if you view children as a burden over the life you could have lived then of course you will be less happy married with kids. If you view having white children as something to celebrate, as part of your duty and mission in life then fulfillment of that is likely to bring you joy.

Feminisms main mission is to fight for the rights and independence of women. Alright, but I almost never see any feminist solution to issues like collapsing birthrates and replacement with more conservative people who are typically more anti feminist, misogynist, violent etc than the native white population. They just choose not to engage with it or actively support the replacement because they believe fighting against the white patriarchy is more important.

In the end there are simply people who are willing to sacrifice something (like a hedonistic single life) to build and preserve society and those who either throw off any responsibility or actively take part in it's destruction. There is no guarantee that it will bring someone ultimate happiness, only that they have a chance to fight for what they believe is right.

[–]cybitch 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While I believe ideology is important to a lot of people, that is not why anybody of any race has children, nor do I believe it can make someone happy raising children they would otherwise see as a burden. Reproducing is the natural consequence of falling in love with someone, no more no less. Humans are smart though, and we have invented ways to avoid reproducing if we think it'll be too much of a burden for us. It doesn't have to be, we have the tools to make life a lot easier for mothers. It just so happens the rich and powerful think it'll be more cost effective to just ship in new people to replace the natives instead.

Alright, but I almost never see any feminist solution to issues like collapsing birthrates and replacement with more conservative people who are typically more anti feminist, misogynist, violent etc than the native white population.

This is something that has been bothering me for a while. Personally I hate that shit and think the borders should be closed asap, but the rich have convinced women globalism is the way to some sort of utopia where everyone is equal. Most women seem to believe in that deluded sort of SJW feminism that thinks socialization is everything and there are zero innate differences in the behavior of men and women, whites and blacks etc. I think it's BS but I'm very much in the minority. Most men have also started to believe it so while it used to be a feminism thing it seems like your fellow men are also SJWs now.

[–]AidsVictim69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Reproducing is the natural consequence of falling in love with someone, no more no less.

It's the consequence of sex, sometimes people are in love and sometimes not. For most of human history you just married and had kids with the first person you had sex with, likely one of your village neighbors. The harsh reality is that marrying and having children for an abstract idea of love probably suppresses fertility quite a bit. At some point you have to consider whether it's possible to have a society capable of sustaining itself if everyone is neurotically searching for an idealized partner over just having children with an otherwise good partner.

It doesn't have to be, we have the tools to make life a lot easier for mothers.

True, capitalist economies are oriented around maximizing profit to the point that they become unable to reproduce themselves without importing masses of foreigners. Any healthy society must be oriented around its own health and at least replacement levels of fertility of the native population which requires more support for parents in the modern world.

Most men have also started to believe it so while it used to be a feminism thing it seems like your fellow men are also SJWs now.

Many are and there is enough blame to go around for both genders, but let's be honest there is much stronger support for immigration in general among white women than white men, especially younger women.