Debate a "leftist"

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[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Your post is nonsense. Just vague appeals to morality and historical events. There's nothing to respond to.

Why did you even come here?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Because for some reason I thought you might come up with a reasonable argument. That was my mistake.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Lol, 100% inverted. You don't have an actual argument or claim to speak of at this point

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You're just refusing to acknowledge them. It's not even subtle.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Alright, so this non-debate is obviously over

I want to leave you with this - I truly meant what I said earlier - "thanks for posting here" . I run into white leftists (and non-whites, FWIW) every day - at the store, at work, etc. I've talked to hundreds - maybe, thousands - of white people with basic lefty takes. By contrast, how many white nationalists have you met in your "real life?"

Regardless - what sets you apart is that you actually came out here to find us and have a conversation. That's more than I can say for 95% of these people I've run into. Still, I've probably seen hundreds of leftists post online too. They all make the same mistakes - come in with a bunch of loaded priors, make vague appeals, etc. - and they usually get wrecked. They think we are dumb/stupid/""biggited""/whatever - just as you did. And likewise, you were totally pwned on every front in this thread. But - it's not your fault. You previously had no reason to research or back up your beliefs. You are force-fed lies and false propaganda about race and the far-right daily, but don't see them for what they are.

I know you're better than this. You had the curiosity, the courage, and the conviction to post here - and now you have the experience of trying for the first time. You aren't disowned or banned for being incorrect or being a "leftist" - I'm sure you can come in here with real evidence on a pointed topic, and prove we are wrong. I believe in you

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Make an argument or don't. I have no interest in your self righteous condescension. I wish some of you had the nuts to address the actual argument.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

We have, multiple times. Your argument is effectively discrimination and bigotry and bad. We have set forth many contentions showing why what you call discrimination and bigotry is justified, akin to pattern recognition, treating groups as collectives and body politics, as we ask given these and other phenomena WHY what you call discrimination and bigotry is bad. Your response is its bad because it is discrimination and bigotry. This is circular logic par excellence.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

OP is full of shit, he's perfectly fine with discrimination, as long as it can be justified

https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/552a/debate_a_leftist/jewb

[–]Richard_Parker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fully indoctrinated. To be intellectually honest, if I were to entertain American society as still legitimate or feasible, which I no longee so, in the past I might have been willing to countenance affirmative action policies that address both class and race. Otherwise they tend to benefit privileged blacks like the Obama girls, or te children of people like former mayor of Seattle Norm Rice. There also would need to be safeguards to ensure that beneficiaries of such policies meet a minimum standard, so that the person whose spot is being usurped is a much a closer call than it often is.

To just blindly assert that it is always reversing a previous injustice is a leap of faith, not unlike the assertion of systemic racism, white privilege etc.

[–]Nombre27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said.

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

My response is that it hurts your victims far more than it helps anybody else, which ends up hurting you as well.

[–]Richard_Parker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Even if true, so what. It is called in group preference.

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So nobody is going to let you make a bad decision on their behalf just because of your "in group preference".