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[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

they did entrap national economies, as agents of the vatican

If they were agents of the vatican, then the vatican wouldn't have needed to borrow billions of dollars from the rothschilds at interest...

[–]useless_aether[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

as i said, they had to put it in some formal shape. the jesuits just took over the papacy after a war. the treasury was empty..

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

yes but none of that means the rothschilds weren't still in charge of the papacy...

[–]useless_aether[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

at no point were they in charge of it

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

they were in charge the moment the vatican took out huge loans from them... same way they took over every other country

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

well, no, first, if you look at what it was worth in today's money, it was not huge, not at all. (i remember something like 20-ish million dollars) if i am correct, that's nothing.

don't forget, the collateral for these types of loans is a taxable population, which applies to all countries, but the vatican.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The first loan was 37 million USD today. The second loan was an undisclosed amount. No one knows the size of it, but it was enough to re-instate the papacy control of Italy. Probably in the billions.

don't forget, the collateral for these types of loans is a taxable population, which applies to all countries, but the vatican.

That doesn't change the fact the vatican as an organization is still in debt to the rothschilds.

Why was Carl Mayer von Rothschild the first royalty not to have to kiss the Pope's feet?

Everything points to the Rotshchilds being in control.

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

That doesn't change the fact the vatican as an organization is still in debt to the rothschilds.

what facts? you have no facts :-)

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Yeah just the ones I spent 10 comments explaining to you, that you're still completely ignoring...

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

explaining =/= evidence

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who gets to issue currency and flood the money supply is indefinitely in control of governments. Hamilton the Jew, was proud of this permanent public debt concept and had many Rothschild agents surrounding him. It wasn't pro-Liberty people like Jefferson who had control, they were merely theorists, it was collectivist parasites under the aegis of mostly foreign Frankfurt Jewish bankers. Not the other way around. Bankers control governments through bonds and debt, your taxes pays as collateral on that interest. Initially, it was to be independent treasuries backed by the amount of silver and gold in reserves never to exceed the certificates or coinage issued. This was a good concept, but the bankers wanted credit and debt.

The Vatican, of course wanted money, so they signed a contract, like all governments do, at interest. That interest is the lever of power