Ukrainian tankers praise M1 Abrams.

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[–]Dune1032[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Didn't you read my link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6VWyElstfc&t=19s Abrams have not been withdrawn. Instead, Ukrainians have changed tactics to accommodate a sky filled with drones.

[–]HugodeCrevellier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Riiight.

And this kind of PR is not there just to try and damage-control such 'America's Abrams Tanks Are Failing the Ukraine Test' news reports, naaah.

Incidentally, shills are scum, don't you agree?

[–]Dune1032[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

No tanks can survive in the open when the sky if full of drones.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The only way to know would be to have satellite surveillance with footage of the past year of every M1. Everything else is propaganda.

At least one M1 was captured by the Russians, so at least it's not some invincible wonder weapon. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68934205

It is plausible that the M1 isn't a match for drones, because it wasn't designed for such a battle field.

The frontline moving is hard to fake for long periods of time; at some point journalists will report that it is dangerous in some place they could previously get near to and especially when doing that in concert with satellite footage. I am not sure what agreements there are regarding sharing operationally sensitive areas, but anything falling outside of such squares would also shift.

[–]Dune1032[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No tank is a match for kamikaze drones. The reason is that the top of a tank is thinly armored. A battlefield full of drones is something new. Armies will have to adjust their tactics to accommodate this. They will probably have to have weapons that clear the drones while the tanks advance.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I am not sure why you would respond when you agree. I said it was plausible.

[–]Dune1032[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You appeared to imply that the M1 is an inferior tank because it can't survive a drone attack. My point is that no tank can survive such an attack because tanks weren't designed that way.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I did not imply that. You should brush up your logic skills.

[–]Dune1032[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is plausible that the M1 isn't a match for drones, because it wasn't designed for such a battle field.

Above is what you said. This implies that other tanks are a match for drone. If no tanks are designed to survive in the open with the sky filled with drones, why would say something like that?

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The German Gepard is also a tank, but it's not a main battle tank.

I don't know whether any currently existing main battle tanks are designed to cope with drones. However, presumably someone has designed one already at a company currently manufacturing tanks (because they would be out of business otherwise) and certainly one could be designed (the trivial solution would be to add a Gepard style weapon (or a laser) to a main battle tank). Not a single modern (designed in 2020s) main battle tank has seen combat, so it's entirely possible that there are already defenses, but thy are just kept as a strategic advantage. War is like playing chess without knowing the pieces on the board. There is a huge advantage in the enemy not knowing you are twenty years ahead. There needs to be some publication of what is available, but you always need to hint at the reality that they don't get to see every toy you have in your arsenal.