WayOfTheBern

WayOfTheBern

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FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun 9 months ago

For every piece of "evidence" I've seen so far, I've seen identical things in my own house

Steel belted tires reduced to ash next to poly-corded tires intact? Fence posts that burned from the nails out? Jeeps with melted hoods? Entirely incinerated homes next to trees with intact needles and small branches?

Watch the video and get back to me if any of those things are normal in a fire.

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FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun 8 months ago

I had 50 feet of fence with burns around the staples in the posts when a power line fell on them during a thunderstorm.

I thought more about this as it relates to the fence burning from the nails inside. Plausable, except the power in Lahana had been cut.

NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 8 months ago

I thought more about this as it relates to the fence burning from the nails inside. Plausable...

It would also depend upon where the nails were. Occasionally there would be a nail not attached to the metal part of the fence, to hang something on. Did those nails (not attached to anything) also burn the posts? If the effect was electrical from the metal fence, those would not have burned.

If there were such a thing as a Carrington Gun, and if it were to have been used, either all the nails would have burned the posts, or just the nails at right angles to the direction of the alleged beam. Is there evidence of either of those things?

...except the power in Lahana had been cut.

Couldn't that part have happened before power was cut?

(Yes, I'm examining from both sides at once)

NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

I had 50 feet of fence with burns around the staples in the posts when a power line fell on them during a thunderstorm.

"Burns around the staples" sounds like something more electrical than fire related....

I haven't looked at the "fence posts that burned from the nails out" footage, but that one, if as described, would seem to be difficult to achieve by fire alone. Maybe it's not quite as described, but if it is....

FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 8 months ago

"Burns around the staples" sounds like something more electrical than fire related....

Agreed. But the power had been cut to the area.

BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Remids me of the X-Ray laser from Mote in God's Eye.

FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Did you take the time to watch the video?

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sdl5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Yes Thumb.

You know me. Super sensible but no trust in govt or narratives.

I am ALSO a wildfire survivor, and witnessed up close the exact "bizarre" results of a wind driven plus powerlines wildfire sweeping down a mountainside into town.

I watched it form, burn, change directions when the wind did, roars right on past some spots and turn to melted puddles and ashes others.

Wind velocity at location, other structures, landscaping moisture or retaining walls vs none, subtle geographic or flora details that protected or nuked buffers, animals surviving "impossible" conditions, items that looked entirely unscathed surrounded by scorched melted remains and ash... that literally dissolved once touched.

Tires are tricky in that different types of materials used can ignite or burn or NOT BURN very dramatically differently.

The list of things syllables and myself ALONE have witnessed and stayed around to check and verify ourselves is huge- why would you ignore both of us, that you KNOW are sane stable and not easily fooled longterm WotB members? In favor of videos that are getting progressively more bizarre and frankly paranoid?

More tyan enough ugly corrupt stupid to go around in Maui, no need to make shit up- or poison the well with crazy claims. That just gives the LEGIT targets and horrible actions or lack thereof cover tbh.

FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Did you watch the video? It's no longer conjecture if our gov has DEWs. And it's long past conjecture if our gov would ever sacrifice its own citizens for the gains of the powerful.

There's too many odd loose threads, up to and including the fact that the Chief of Police was the same guy who oversaw the Vegas mass shooting.

sdl5 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 8 months ago

Guy.

It's me.

OF COURSE I watched the video.

And have already done the back research and deep dive on claims, and watched other actual on site videos and drones etc etc etc.

Maui is an island County, and in geography is essentially TWO islands with an isthmus connecting them.

Lahaina and Kaanapali zone is quite separate from the rest, and going further north or even east up the mountain from there is sparsely to no population locals and wild areas. I have actually been there, know the terrain and populations and problems. Extended fam DIED in Lahaina, in their car trying to evac dude.

The LE boss would have been living on the other half where the bulk of the population is. And may or may not be a factor in the RESPONSES. Ditto for FD boss, Water Dept and school District local govt authorities.

THOSE choices and responses in toto are the scandal needing loudspeakers in media and online.

That HI or mil Fed response was so sparse is a MAJOR scandal as well- the CG were the only responders and saved lives from the water off Lahaina as the fires still raged in town and on the marina.

This other shit is deliberately poisoning the well

Remember Mpls 20? And how many wild ass claims were made after, but you were THERE and knew bullshit was being spread? That.

chakokat 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

There's too many odd loose threads, up to and including the fact that the Chief of Police was the same guy who oversaw the Vegas mass shooting.

What??

😳

That’s not strange, or weird, or odd, or a coincidence.

NetweaselContinuing the struggle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Your description sounds like a pinpoint Carrington Event.

Instead of telegraph wires, steel belted radials.

FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

And nails inside fence posts.

penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

I agree with you that this should be open to discussion, and there is a lot of discussion and speculation online. The pitfall we need to avoid is muddying the waters by jumping to conclusions about why something happened - which can lead down a lot of rabbit holes - before clearly establishing what actually happened. Glad you posted this.

Promyka5When in the course of human events... 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Agreed. This is one of those topics that is likely to reflexively be branded "conspiracy theorizing," at least until video evidence is forthcoming, which has to be explained in conventional terms, but given what's apparent to the eye, those explanations stretch credulity. While other plausible explanations might explain so-called "chemtrails," though I haven't come to any conclusions on that matter, fires resulting from directed energy weapons are fires of an entirely different sort. And it seems this is why the burned area on the island of Maui is being blocked off from public access.

penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

That's the thing. The combination of silence, ostracism and opaqueness is what feeds "conspiracy theories" though I always try to stay mindful of what a long-time Wayer said some years ago about a scientist and UFO expert who was driven off the deep end when he realized some of the evidence he'd collected over decades had been deliberately planted or staged by the government to distract from what was really happening. Sorting out the elements that are true from the elements that are false is critical because the latter are often deliberate attempts to derail the so-called conspiracy theory as a whole.

(IIRC the Wayer was u/BoniceMarquiFace, formerly known as u/MarquisBoniFace)

BoniceMarquiFace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

I had a length comment reply but the page refreshed XD

penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 4 months ago

Aargh, what a PITA.

FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

And it seems this is why the burned area on the island of Maui is being blocked off from public access.

And at the end of the video, the speaker makes note of the fact that all the clean-up crews are driving off-the-lot new vehicles. A fleet of them. This doesn't sound like a typical civilian clean up operation.

Promyka5When in the course of human events... 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Here's a video from a short while back that I had to search to find, which I think is pertinent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHeoaIh7cx8

Again, mundane fires just don't burn this way.

FThumbStay thirsty, my friends[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Years ago I lost a Porsche to an engine fire. When the flames reached the gas tank, it didn't explode (because the tank was full), but it did turn the car into a ball of fire so intense you couldn't see the car through the flames. Burned this way for 15-20 minutes, with a fire crew standing by waiting for the fuel to be exhausted. The tires exploded, but the rims remained intact. The front hood, at the center of the fire-ball, was cut with giant fire-crew sheers so they could douse the tank and smoking wreckage. Meaning, even in that intense, sustained heat, no metal parts anywhere melted and had to be cut away.

In the linked video, entire vehicles, to the rims, had melted. That's not a normal fire.

NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 9 months ago

Years ago I lost a Porsche to an engine fire.

The way the conversation is going, I have to ask....
How windy was it during the Porsche fire?