Colonel Macgregor: "Cut defense spending, because you've got to dismantle the empire"

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[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I guess I just don't see this as a remotely likely scenario, when looking at farmland ownership. Even if it were, farm subsidies have been commonplace, and I'd say some of the least controversial spending since FDR.

"Readjustment" referred to wages, prices, and production, in the hypothetical.

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Readjustment pain if all illegal immigrants get deported literally means food shortages and starvation, production stops. Wrapping it in a watered down phrase doesn’t change that. These extra hypothetical subsidies for higher wages and keeping farmers from defaulting would be akin to the US gov essentially nationalizing the entire industry. It’s like bank bailout size money. It’s certainly an interesting scenario to imagine but I just don’t see it happening. Much more likely that a transfer of ownership would take place and they’d squeeze the American public until they became desperate enough to take these low wage grueling jobs. Hell there’s not even any will to raise the min wage from 7 something dollars.

Food shortages also tend to lead to revolutions and civil unrest so this whole mass deportation idea is likely to never be considered by anyone in power. And logistically it’s a bigger nightmare than Trumps H1b visa fiasco.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

they’d squeeze the American public until they became desperate enough to take these low wage grueling jobs

This is the real disconnect we're having, because I find this sentence incoherent. If the supply of labor is constricted wages rise. This isn't a hypothetical; the wage increase we both want happened under Trump, at the fastest rate in decades, precisely because he restricted immigration. Even Politico admitted it.

if all illegal immigrants get deported

Sheesh, I've said this a couple of times now, I don't think this is necessary, feasible, or even desirable. I'm simply not going to defend this straw man; I don't see it happening any more than you do! I agree with you, there is no politician anywhere on the horizon who would implement Operation Wetback Part 2, and I never said I'm looking for one.

This is why we don't have rational conversations about immigration in this country. Any hint of restrictions is met with "racist," "everyone will starve to death," and "you can't deport them all."

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Colonel MacGregor said we should deport every illegal immigrant immediately in the video you posted. I came in with a critique of that specific point along with others. Not only did you not denounce that specific part of his proposal you mocked my critique and generally defended his take. Your very clear language here is useful now to understand your position and would have been even more useful earlier on.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Y'know what, that's totally fair, and it's on me that I didn't notice earlier how we were talking past each other. I thought Macgregor was using hyperbole, but of course you're right that actually deporting all illegals immediately is untenable.