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[–]ClassroomPast6178 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If you follow a few accounts on twitter like @eyeslasho and @cremieuxrecueil you might see why they need to offer courses like this for black college students. They’re admitting people with sub-100 IQs for affirmative action/equity reasons and are desperate not to have them flunk out in their first year.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TLDR --- I ran into something similar some years ago when i had to grade exams as a grad student proctor. We had an issue where student athletes were being given crazy favoritism and privileges. It wasn't race based but a way to protect their sports team from having mass expulsion.

Long:

What ended up happening is we caught kids in the athletics program cheating in a very easy elective science class final. This class was designed for this exact type of person so they could get their required science credits with little effort. They got the final exam on day 1 of the semester. It was basically "you will learn about 100 things over the semester and on the final you need to come in and write down 10 of them." On the final we hand each person 10 blank sheets to fill out. In our department we proctors generally treated all the students as adults and gave them the benefit of the doubt around seating and using the toilet. This final starts and all the athletics students take seats at one table way up top and in the middle where it wasn't easy to access. At some point the proctors started to notice that group acting suspicious. They were basically writing up one section on the paper then sliding papers around and answering each other's tests. We decided to split up the group as we caught it but they all refused to move and it was starting to cause a scene. We ended up opting not to cause a scene so we just watched them. What they actually did was each wrote their name on 10 pages then they all swapped pages at the beginning so they would answer the same question over and over with different names. And you wouldn't notice because they only did the paper shuffle at the beginning. And you would never think of checking all 10 pages they hand in for the same name.

At the end they were coming up and started fanning out their stacks and sliding them into the piles of exams but between all of the proctors we were able to figure out all the names. It was easier because if one of them placed the papers into a pile we might get a list of 10 names. The professor and i think the department was totally on our side but the university itself stepped in and blocked us from failing the students. Basically they were looking at the idea of expelling multiple sports teams all at once and they took the power away from us to do anything about it.

If this happened to me today i might have been tempted to leak the information. At the time i actually believed them when the university claimed they were going to discipline the athletes internally & i actually was like "yeah we don't want to create a scandal for our school." Now I would say fuck this corrupt institution.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

TBF if this is just a remedial class I'm fine with it, especially when highschools oftentimes drop the ball, but I do have a problem with racializing the remedial classes, especially since it seems to indicate that black kids are too stupid for the regular class.

Now the truth of the matter is sure, a lot of the black kids coming in are too stupid for the normal classes. But it's not because of them being black. And a bunch of white kids need the remedial classes as well.

I don't think this is anything new though really. Way back when I was in Uni there were a few really dumb, like I don't just mean low IQ, I've known plenty of low IQ but earnest students who work hard and manage to get by, but like, I'm not going to show up to class ever, I'm gonna show up 30 minutes late for a 30 minute test, I'm never gonna study, types, not even blamable on laziness or ADHD or anything like that, just so lazy and stupid they can't be asked to do anything. How the fuck they pass admissions? Gotta be non-competitive scholarships and loose entry requirements.

To be fair plenty of useless white trash as well but they don't have a problem with flunking them out. I don't think you are doing anyone any favors by not flunking out these people. Like a stupid and lazy black student that gets on a racial scholarship is literally taking the position from a potentially hard working and intelligent black student who could really benefit from it.

You aren't doing anyone any favors by lowering the standards. I can see some benefit with programmes to help certain groups better reach the standards. But lowering them is a bad idea all around.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

In America 1 in 3 women and 1 in 5 men with an IQ under 90 now has a degree.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016028962200023X

These are people who can't understand conditional hypotheticals.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And as that happens the value of the degree is severely diluted. Will have to find other hiring metrics.

My question is if we are going to lower the standards for equity purposes. Why bother having standards. Just print out and give a degree to anyone who asks. Not much different.