TRANSGENDERBased anglers - Half the England National Ladies Angling Team quit when Troon selected as squad member for Home Nations Shore Fishing competition

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[–]QueenBread 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You can bet that one year ago, no one of them would have dared to quit, for fear of public shaming, ruined career, and accusations of "transphobia". The tide is turning. Now women feel like they can do things like this without having their life ruined as "heretics".

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I've long maintained, this is the only way you stop it.

It's the same way you deal with hackers when playing an online video game. Just log off and let them win in a room by themselves.

[–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I've long maintained, this is the only way you stop it.

Actualy they need meds and a room in a mental hospital.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not the same thing in the slightest.

"Quitting" a match doesn't really work because the most played pvp games these days are competitive and you get more penalized if you quit a match compared to just loosing a match.

Also there is no moral standing to defend a cheater, whereas you can defend a trans person for existing.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why should I defend a trans person for existing? They exist? Great. Everyone exists. So what?

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

A "trans person" is something that is technically created from another person.

It makes sense that some people don't want this category of people created because of things such as women's sports and the bathroom problem.

I'm not saying you should defend or shouldn't defend it, but at least with trans people there is a moral basis to defend their existance, whereas I can't think of any moral basis to defend a game cheater.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm saying that trans women who play women's sports are no different than cheaters.

It would be like allowing someone who has no disability to play at the special Olympics.

Feminists don't like this categorizing of it, but women's sports are essentially a "handicap" league, simply because being female unequivocally is a disadvantage when it comes to athletic performance in most areas. Since about half the population suffers from this "disability", it makes sense to carve out sports leagues for females only so they may compete with each other competitively, otherwise they'd simply be by and large unable to participate in athletic competitions in general.

[–]bucetao6969Ace Spectrum 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're talking specifically about trans women in sports. I'm talking about the act of transitioning. Remember for some the transition was a cure for those with gender dysphoria and I heard gender dysphoria is a pretty wicked thing to feel.

So there is a moral debate about allowing people to transition. I wasn't really talking about allowing trans women in women's sports.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The argument that transition cures gender disphoria is still a dubious one. There's little long term data and much of it still seems to indicate suicide rates wildly high as more or less equivalent with pretransition numbers. It does seem like transitioning has an immediate negative effect on suicide rates in the short term but I'd argue that's because the person has been given hope of a cure rather than an actual cure being available.

The main issues I have with it all come from the medical industries profit motives. If we were simply talking about someone deciding to wear a dress and use a female name with no hormonal or surgical interventions it would be a very different argument.

The main issues are that people who are clearly struggling with very serious mental health issues are essentially sold a treatment that claims it will allow them to become the opposite sex, which is not at all true, and they are also not in a mental state to be able to truly consent to what the treatment involved much of the time.

The argument needs to be focused less on "should it be allowed" and rather "are there better options" currently medical transition is lauded as the best treatment because it is the best treatment for medical industry profit margins producing a life time customer.