How SHOULD sexual selection happen in modern society? A possibly misinformed critique of incel ideology

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

And jesus fucking christ, don't use ''genuinely'' ever again, it's cringe and it actually makes you sound disingenuous.

That wasn't my intent. My intent was to signal that I'm not trying to argue in bad faith to pick a fight or do 'cope memes', but trying to get you to ELI5 because I'm not fully understanding the system you are proposing

You say women should ideally be choosing, but based on different attributes. I don't disagree, how could a society reinforce the kind of values where this would be possible?

But it's in women's nature to be retarded and evil, so what are they gonna do?

You don't think modern media perpetuating this idea in magazines, television and social media is part of the problem at all? It's purely a matter women being evil? Idk about this, but I don't suppose it matters in terms of understanding the solution.

Average and unatractive men are only used for their money, where they end in dead bedroom relatioships and eventually divorce-raped, better be an incel/volcel than end up like that.

Yes, I think this happens a lot.

The real solution is absolute separatism. Plenty of men are capable of stop being simps that hyperidealize women; women on the other hand are incapable of stop being evil selfish dishonest narcissists.

I'm not 100% sure what separatism means in this context, I have only heard this used racially or referring to political boundaries, so I'd have to infer your meaning here. Are you saying that society should go back to more traditional gender roles? How do you think this would change the dynamics of sexual selection? Or am I completely misunderstanding you?

Plenty of men are capable of stop being simps that hyperidealize women; women on the other hand are incapable of stop being evil selfish dishonest narcissists.

So men need to also change their thinking and be more critical of women that have bad motives. I'm not sure how this ties into the women making the selctions exactly. I understand some of the critiques you are making and think they are valid, but still not fully able to picture what you are saying this theoretical better system looks like. I do however appreciate you taking the time to engage with me and attempt to explain it

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    You don't think modern media perpetuating this idea in magazines, television and social media is part of the problem at all?

    Nope, that's a retarded cope. And if women get ''brainwashed'' by media that just shows how retarded they are.

    How is this 'retarded' or 'a cope'. It is pretty obvious the advertising and media encourages this. It's also obvious that the vast majority of the population of both sexes is highly brainwashed by the media. Social Media 'influencer' is a real job now, and they are selling exactly what you hate to impressionable young people. I wasn't suggesting the media was even the primary factor, merely questioning if there might be multiple factors involved.

    If you are going to resort to name calling and insults without even attempting to address a relevant point I'm not sure why I'm talking to you about this. I've tried to be very civil, but you seem either uninterested or incapable of having such a conversation

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      [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      All of the circles about questioning the status quo are made and supported by men.

      I wouldn't be so sure. Most of these circles are online behind anonymous usernames, and usually the only people who care enough to announce their gender are transtrenders. And for some reason we all assume everyone is male by default.

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        [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

        That's assuming everyone is a narcissist and blatantly wants double standards as long as they're on the good side of it. I've always been surprised at how many people I know online turned out to be women, because there's this subconscious idea that women don't exist on the internet. It's seriously impossible to tell the difference, even when someone acts very stereotypical of one gender you're often wrong. I don't see them proclaiming it loud and clear, the only people I see doing that are transtrenders. Because it doesn't matter.

        Most people do want unfair special treatment, but being a woman doesn't get you the same privileges online as in real life. Being behind a screen cuts off both the Women Are Wonderful Effect and the sexual appeal to men that makes them simp. Additionally, strength becomes irrelevant, so women can't use the excuse of being "weak" to make men do everything for them either.

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          [–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

          I'm quite young to be a boomer. OnlyFans doesn't count because it's mainly a porn site, not an anonymous forum. I'm well aware that girls get a ton of extra attention on sites where they show their face.

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