If nothing rational designed the universe, and math is the invention of men, why does physical space behave like a mathematical space?

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Is 2 + 2 =5 in Pluto? Why not, if math is a human construct or if the cause of the universe is irrational forces? Why should the universe agree with our thoughts if it is all in our heads? And if the laws are not just in our heads, what are they made of?

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If we're made of the stuff of the universe, then it might go to figure that the thoughts on our heads are fundamentally connected to the mechanics of the universe that we are a part of. So in a way, whether there is an intelligence behind it or not, we are influenced by our creator.

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So we only see order in the universe because we are part of the universe?

Is this order we see real or is it just us being delusional?

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So we only see order in the universe because we are part of the universe?

I would argue yes. There's no concept of order without someone to observe and define it. Otherwise, things just exist without appreciation. But at the same time, the definition of order comes from the fact that things (atoms, planets, life) evolved to result in us. So I think order is a very real thing, but it's also a chicken and egg situation where there is no concept of order without intelligence and there is no intelligence without the order to give rise to it.