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[–]cunninglingus[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Put that joint down and think about that dumb argument.

A) The humanitarian response to Russian terrorism and other war crimes in Ukraine since 2014 should be to let Russia annex a sovereign neighbor with a population of 40 million, regardless of the additional suffering this will cause that 40 million? Would it end there? Would Russia not attempt to take other former USSR countries? Would Russia stop its terrorist activities? Would appeasment of these de-facto Nazis resolve anything, or create additional problems? What is Russia's track record on terrorism, war crimes, hacking, money laundering, influencing elections, spreading disinformation, destabilizing other countries, working with Israel and China to create banana republics, etc, etc?

B) The humanitarian (and moral and strategic) response is to help this neighbor remove the terrorist from its soil, provide other forms of aid and shelter, thereby reducing the suffering of millions of Ukrainians? Part of this might be working, though at great cost: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/09/06/russia-announces-tactical-withdrawal-from-ukraines-robotyne-a82369

Pick the humanitarian opiton.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

TIL, humanitarian option == WWIII

[–]cunninglingus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Or Western-sponsored proxy war #84,643

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

so stop supporting it if you know the truth.

[–]cunninglingus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It's the only way to address example, B, above. It's also democracies against authoritarian shithole banana republics like Russia, China, India, North Korea, etc, etc. Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

ugh you neocon bitch. look what your hero says

Part of this might be working, though at great cost

We're 2 years in. Ukraine is fucked.

[–]cunninglingus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ukraine is fucked.

I don't think so. Ukraine now has many new allies, while Russia isolated itself a bit and is further in debt to China, while loosing many soldiers. It's not a neocon move to want to defend Ukraine with a small budget, IMO, whilst one can see many other wars as neocon oriented.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

wtf small budget?

[–]cunninglingus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Iraq war cost 7 TRILLION

Ukraine support is a few billion (60?)

(I know this is an unfair comparison, but....)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hey, this is a rational argument, more or less. I shall accept your point as valid.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

No the humanitarian option is - send in the white hats to patrol the international borders and keep the peace.

That's the humanitarian option, but there's a terrorist on the security council.

So what's your answer, then? You truly think that Ukraine should surrender their nation and freedom out of humanitarianism? Is that even a consistent position for you to put forward? You just keep challenging u/cunnilingus 's support for not surrendering to the terrorist, without putting your own answer forward.

What's your answer then? Is it really - just surrender whatever the terrorist asks for? Is that it

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

the answer is negotiating peace. which probably means ukraine losing the donbas. But western terrorism hates negotiating and peace.

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Probably? Probably the Donbass? Probably Zaporozhia too. Probably Moldova too. Probably south Ossetia and the rest of Georgia. Probably the Baltic countries. Probably the 'stans. Probably Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Probably Poland, probably East Germany, probably Serbia.

Why is a terrorist warlord expansionist going to stop, when they're rewarded?

You're the one advocating for nuclear war. That's how nuclear war happens. Not by deterring the terrorist in Ukraine before he gets any further

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I seem to recall Putin having a peace agreement in writing... not to call him the good guy.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's so funny that you would call a document put together by Putin a "peace agreement"

It's almost hopelessly naive, it's the behavior of a dog or a 5 year old.

Yeah no shit, Putin could write a peace agreement in his own favor. When Putin shuts his eyes at night, he sees a Ukraine peace deal in his favor. It consumes his waking moments and all he can think or talk about is a peace agreement in his favor.

The fact that the Sultan announces "I demand peace in my favor" and you, the pathetic dog, look up at him and think "wow what a peace bringer, he brings the peace of the ruski mir"

What a dipshit

Hey dipshit

If Ukraine gave up last week, then the town of robotyne would still be under z control

Why give up now when they will liberate more clay ? What about the towns that they will liberate this week?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Who turned down peace negotiations? The US, the head of NATO. You neocon pricks just love war.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In your imagination perhaps.

In reality, USA doesn't talk about Ukraine without Ukraine being in the room. That's been a consistent policy.

America doesn't decide whether or not the government of Ukraine accept any document passed their way.

And of course, yet again, you insist that the ruzzian emperor is fully dressed when the emperor's balls are swinging in your face. He doesn't want peace. Putin DOES NOT WANT PEACE. He wants to prosecute his war goals - to dismantle independent Ukraine, and even the idea of Ukraine. Nobody doubts that and yet you keep putting on this silly performance that the sultan has put together this wise peace treaty. It's ridiculous of you

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He wants to prosecute his war goals - to dismantle independent Ukraine

Then why hasn't it happened yet? Why hasn't Russia bombed Kiev? It looks like another forever war, a favorite of the Jews and the MIC.

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

these de-facto Nazis

You're talking about Ukraine, right?

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Marine le pen, Geert Wilders, Thierry Baudet, Aaron banks, alternative fur deutschland, la Liga, austrian freedom party.........

All of those Nazis have a singular paymaster and it aint Zelensky

[–]cunninglingus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent point

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are no real nazis anywhere. Ukraine is run by jews. Nazis don't like jews.