Intellectual honesty is a crime on Reddit

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[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nevertheless current practise is derived from empirical learning about how to improve quality of life, and reduce suicide.

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I think that's an overstatement, the suicide bit. No good long term studies exist for you to make such claims.

Current practice is now political.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think that's an overstatement, the suicide bit.

There's a lot more evidence for it than "Trans" is something someone does, not what someone is", which is counter to all the evidence.

There's a lot of work that shows that current practice is aimed at reducing suicidal ideation, improving quality of life, and improving mental health. I think your claim that none of them are long enough term is arbitrary, in the sense that you could always claim, "well what about after 60 years?" then "perhaps it all changes after 70 years?"

The reality is that there's no plausible mechanism for a reversal of satisfaction, mental health or quality of life as some point in time beyond the extent of the longitudinal studies. But even if that was true, the best treatment is the current practise, as far as we know. If a whole lot of octogenarian trans people kill themselves in 40 years, we should revisit the treatment then.

Current practice is now political.

What?

That appears ridiculous. How is making people's lives as good as we can political?

Trans-hatred is political. But is particularly nasty politics. Find a small enough group that they don't have a significant voting power themselves and drum up hatred against them.

You shouldn't hate on people who are already in a difficult situation. Surely that much is basic humanity?

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Current practice is definitely political. They're placing all importance on "social transition" and "identity", something that is just made up sexist bullshit. And because of that, people who need treatments can't get them, so they kill themselves, and people who have no business getting them get them, and then they kill themselves because they gave themselves sex dysphoria. Yes, I'll call it sex dysphoria, because "gender" means something different every second.