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[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If all trans (or AGP or wahtver) people were this reasonable they would have a lot more allies right now, rather than people (like me) who do not want to be adjacent to the woke inquisition they are performing, but otherwise would support a civil rights based movement if they knocked all that shit off. He (or whatever 🤷🏼‍♂️) is absolutely right about these things

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

What civil rights are they denied? I don't even think transgender is a valid identity anymore, it's a complex of various psychological conditions, gender stereotyping, and sometimes a sexual kink component that spreads through social groups. It's mass psychosis like the Satanic Cult panic in the 80s.

If you haven't before you might want to peruse r/detrans. These kids know they ruined their lives and there's only so much they can do about it now. It's heartbreaking. And they were led down that path by counselors, psychologists, parents, and peers. Sold transitioning as a cure for their fears, body image issues, anxiety, depression. And it didn't work.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

What civil rights are they denied?

None that I'm aware of, and I think thats part of the problem. You have a huge base of LGBT activists and activism infrastructure that no longer have any valid civil rights issues (inability to marry, housing discrimination etc) to activism for, so we get identity politics extremism

[–]Objecting_Sphere 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Absolutely. The activism infrastructure can't stop even after achieving its goals. It's too entrenched. Hell, it can't even change direction. There are plenty of people in other countries that would benefit from the old fashioned civil rights movement, but of course all the local activists aren't going to uproot and start new institutions over there. That would be way too disruptive to their lives and incomes. Instead they follow their incentives and continue working on whatever the current thing is, even if the current thing is no longer morally important. Even if the new thing is almost completely manufactured. The machine has no off switch, it doesn't stop until it's dismantled.

All movements are like this. They all overshoot their reasonable goals because they're made up of people who dedicate their lives to the cause and can't pivot. We are seeing it now with leftist movements, but we need to be wary of our own movements too. I worry that if anti-leftist reactionary movements gather steam, they won't stop at pushing back against the left movements. We've been calling the woke movements the new McCarthyism, but we don't want our own movements to create a new new McCarthyism that undoes legitimate civil rights like marriage and housing. Though if you argue that it's too early to worry about such things, I have to agree.

[–]Alienhunter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The right to do whatever I want whenever I want for free and be praised for it while doing it. It's so liberating being able to just take Gucci handbags from the Wall to Wall Mart like a VIP and not have to pay, while being praised for how brave I am. And if you've got a problem with that know that you are the problem. I have the right to throw a tantrum wherever I want and I have the right to be loved by you and you can't deny that.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

In America I'm pretty sure you can fire someone for wearing a shirt you don't like but not for their race. So in the US at least they have the goal of getting their bad fashion sense added to the range of protected characteristics like race, sex, religion, etc.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We have states where I hear it's hard to fire people, but we also have "right to work" states that allow for termination without cause. And regardless of that, if a company wants you gone, they'll assign you shit work at distant locations and try to force a person to quit.

[–]Alienhunter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

In the US largely you can fire people for literally any reason so long as it's notmpne of the few "protected" reasons, race gender etc. Just make shit up if that's the real reason so long as you've got even the slightest argument it will hold up in court.

Like if your employee has "Biden 2020" bumper stickers it's 100% legal to fire them them for that. It's fucked up but legal to do.

And yes employees of big companies, they absolutely make their decisions of who to let go during layoff season based on reasons like whether or not they agree with your politics.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If I had to fire a troon in the US I'd 100% say they were just too goddamn feminine for my workplace and let them stew on that.