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[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I care about their universal human rights, I just don’t support the rest the things they insist are rights: free surgery on demand, sex and affection from others, life long medical care, access to single sex spaces, no debate etc etc.

[–]julesburm1891 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I absolutely agree with you. Trans people are deserving of human rights. They ought not face barriers to housing, healthcare, the law, etc.

I put rights in quotations because nearly all of what they’re asking for aren’t rights, but very unreasonable wants. Stealing a girl’s athletic scholarship isn’t a right. Having the public subsidize elective cosmetic surgeries and hormone treatments isn’t a right. Exposing yourself to unwilling individuals in locker rooms and bathhouses isn’t a right. And on and on it goes.

However, and perhaps controversially, I do have some concerns about employment discrimination. There are sometimes reasons where sex does matter in the workforce. For example, there is no scenario I’d be fine with getting my yearly gynecological exam from a man. (For men who aren’t aware of how that works: the doctor literally sticks his or her fingers in your vagina for a good portion of the exam.) I hold the same sentiment for people law enforcement who’d search my person, rape counselors, massage therapists, estheticians, etc.

I’m not saying that transwomen or non-binary men can’t be those things. I’m saying that there needs be a required disclosure process to ensure actual consent in any role where people could reasonably want to only work with one sex or the other.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Very well-put, Jules (as usual!).

I also have some reservations about employment discrimination. Should employers really be required to overlook trans people's propensity for disruptive behavior? What if they don't want to hire someone who'll be bugging everyone about pronouns, demanding "validation", making female coworkers afraid to use the restroom, and having meltdowns? Shouldn't they be free to restrict their workplace to those who will, you know, actually do their damn job? I sure wouldn't want one of these raging narcissists around! And that seems to account for an awful lot of trans people. It often seems to me that you should really only hire them if your business is endless pronoun-circles and obsession with gender. Otherwise, the people who work for you have better things to do.

[–]Mikulbleu 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Omg they are totally great coworkers who don’t tell sexually explicit jokes at work and talk about how much they suffer over the mildest inconveniences. Or hide in the back and not talk to customers saying “my social battery is drained”