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[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's simple. Keep terms out of this debate that don't apply. Bisexual doesn't apply. It's not "well it's the closest." Unless you'd like us to use "lesbian" and force it to mean that you are also attracted to trans women by default.

Which is not what it means, and that's why I don't play along with abusing that term at your expense. I expect the same respect in return, instead of excuses for why people keep misusing the term.

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    [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I can see that, and don't agree that you respect the sexuality of bisexuals if you insist on pasting something different on top of it. Just as you wouldn't appreciate it if I did the same to you.

    We agree it is something different, whether your idea of a subcategory or my suggestion of an entirely different term, and to avoid confusion and harassment of bisexual people, that needs to be articulated in a non-confusing way. The best way to do this is to not use an existing term with a specific meaning.

    It must be easier to stick to this particular opinion when the outcome of promoting this idea does not affect you personally in a negative way. You talk about us as if we are an abstract concept, rather than human beings who are subject to crappy treatment because you and others keep pushing this idea.

    I would suggest having a little more empathy for those of us who are affected negatively by people pushing this definition of who we are. Try it some time. Digging in your heels on this helps no one but you, defending your own argument.

    [–]throwaway999 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    And I encourage you to answer this question of hers to strengthen your argument:

    Then please tell me what is the sexuality of people dating TWs or TMs? And I mean post-op. And I also don't want to hear anything outside of the three real sexualities.

    [–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It's pretty interesting that I am willing to advocate for an alternate term for people who experience an attraction to trans people specifically, but you aren't. "The three real sexualities" isn't a phrase that has been tossed around here with regularity, so why don't you go ahead and let us all know on what basis you make that claim? You are clearly the less open-minded of the two of us.

    [–]throwaway999 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "The three real sexualities" isn't a phrase that has been tossed around here with regularity, so why don't you go ahead and let us all know on what basis you make that claim?

    Sure. Orientation is based on attraction to one or both of the two sexes. There is exclusive attraction to the same sex (homosexuality), exclusive attraction to the opposite sex (heterosexuality), and attraction to both sexes (bisexuality). If orientation is not based on sex, what is it based on? And what are the implications of that on the other orientations? That perhaps they are also not exclusively sex-based? What are the ramifications of that on homosexual rights?

    And you're really pushing it with the personal insults.