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Spain is making a law when 14 years old will be able to transition. The madness is coming in Europe too(self)

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xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun 2 years ago

Is the lgbtq community nuts over there too?

Elvira95Viva la figa[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

yeah, Spain is very progressive, much more than Italy, and this is why gender ideology is very strong there.

julesburm1891 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I don’t know a ton about Spain. Did they have a big pendulum swing after Franco’s regime ended in the 70s?

Elvira95Viva la figa[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Probably, yeah. Franco pushed religion so hard they went full left.

reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Ah, that makes sense. God, this is why extremes on both ends are awful.

RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

They did. Spain is now one of the most woke countries on the planet.

ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

That's disappointing. I always thought of Wokeness as an Anglo-American phenomenon.

BEB 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

The ironic thing is that California, the epicenter of the Queer Theory madness (Hello, Judith Butler!) is roiling after the Wi Spa incident protest. So, while Europe adopts California bullshit, California itself might have to roll back the Gender Cult.

The 1st Wi Spa woman is now working with a DC-based, conservative Christian organization in an attempt to gather all sane & moral people to force politicians to repeal laws that allow men to self-identify as women and access women and childrens' spaces.

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It's such a shame that it took so long for ordinary people to wake up to how the laws pushing gender ideology affect their own lives. Now the plague has spread to Europe...

Elvira95Viva la figa[S] 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun 2 years ago

nice that things are improving, maybe in future this ideology will only be an old thought

BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I don't think they're improving, I just think that the chickens have come home to roost.

I think that there have probably been other incidents in California like the Wi Spa incident, but women were too scared or too indoctrinated to call out the bullshit. But once this proud, brave woman called out that the Emperor (literally) had no clothes, it enabled others to see that the real-life effects of gender identity policies are far from benign.

Q-Continuum-kin 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

They need to detach this from religion or it's going to get stuck.

BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I would normally agree, but gender ideology is the Democrats' new religion, so maybe some good ol' Bible thumping is what's needed to rouse rank-and-file Americans into fighting this madness.

our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I feel this too. I do not want to be linked to the Church or whatever but the Woke Cult forces all of us to comply and has legal force now. Christianity has 2,000 years of weight behind it. In theory, Christianity can crush Trans Insanity easily. Christian people will "pray for you." The Woke want you dead.

And whereas few politicians will listen to women, many will listen to Christian organizations. I'd rather be surrounded by men who can't understand why I didn't marry a man and have children rather than by men who can't understand what's wrong with penises in the women's changing room.

Pretty sad we've reached this point.

reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

The ironic thing is that California, the epicenter of the Queer Theory madness (Hello, Judith Butler!) is roiling after the Wi Spa incident protest. So, while Europe adopts California bullshit, California itself might have to roll back the Gender Cult.

Oh god, I hope so! Do you really think that might've been a wake-up for some people?

I only hope that LGB people aren't used as the scapegoat for all this... please understand the difference between the T movement and the LGB, country.

BEB 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

The Wi Spa incident in LA was noted way past US borders. On other social media, I saw some California GC feminists were trying to formulate a plan to get California's policies on self-ID repealed.

There's also the woman who filmed the Wi Spa incident. She seems to be getting support from some Christian communities, including a Korean pastor (from what I've seen, the Korean Christians in So Cal have a large presence) and she plans to take the fight up with California politicians.

What the fucking, smarmy morons in the California state legislature don't seem to get is that there's a lot of conservatives in California, especially in immigrant communities, who don't vote.

The issue of any and every man, or any and every group of men, being allowed into women & childrens' spaces is one way to get them out to the polls, but not in the way the corruptos who make up the California Democratic party want.

reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

What the fucking, smarmy morons in the California state legislature don't seem to get is that there's a lot of conservatives in California, especially in immigrant communities, who don't vote.

I would say it's not even just California, many people in majority-liberal US states who I have met seem to think that everyone in their state is liberal... the rural/city divide is a real thing. I'm liberal myself, but I'm dismayed at how many of my acquaintances seem to have done no critical thinking about the trans rights movement. And many people I've talked to about it keep quiet out of fear of retaliation from people who are more "woke."

Also that's good to know the event had a wide impact. I worry that the whole event will get framed as religious right vs. trans movement.

our_team_is_winning 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I only hope that LGB people aren't used as the scapegoat for all this... please understand the difference between the T movement and the LGB, country.

But LGB are totally getting the blame. I've been reading through some Christian forums that touch on this, and they all lump LGBT together. They all think T are gay. I keep telling people T are NOT gay. Gay happens in nature. T happens on the internet.

reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Christians were already against us anyway. I am most worried about the people who are tolerant of gay rights but are starting to question their support for the "LGBTQ+" community and may blame the actions of people in the trans rights movement on LGB people.

RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

It already has infested Europe. In nine countries you can legally declare yourself trans simply by filling out a form. Those nine countries are Denmark (2014), Malta (2015), Ireland (2015), Norway (2016), Greece (2017), Belgium (2018), Portugal (2018), Luxembourg (2018) and Iceland (2020).

The silver lining is that this stupidity is confined to Western Europe, while Eastern European countries are pushing back against this bullshit. Also, even some Western European countries like the UK are beginning to question trans ideology.

BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

The Eastern European countries are a great example of what happens when TQ+ madness gets conflated with LGB. I'm willing to bet that if TQ+ demands hadn't been so outrageous, even Eastern European countries would have eventually come around to LGB rights.

RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I think so too. But the sad thing is, LGB organisations and supporters in Eastern Europe are too spineless and chicken shit to tell the TQ activists to go away. And then they wonder why nothing is getting done?

BEB 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

I feel that the US is responsible for so much of this Genderology BS and hang my head in shame (even though I had nothing to do with any of it...SIGH...)

julesburm1891 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun 2 years ago

Stand strong, France and Portugal. We have faith in you keeping the crazy in Spain’s border.

RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Sadly, Portugal has a Self-ID as well. But the Portuguese are definitely no where near as crazy as the Spanish.

Destresse🇨🇵 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

What do you call "self-ID" exactly? In France the only condition to change your sex on your papers is to "socially live as the opposite sex" and prove it to the court with testimonies and stuff. Would this count as self-ID?

our_team_is_winning 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

"socially live as the opposite sex"

Seriously what does that even mean? That means there is an identifiable way the "opposite sex" lives. Do they have a list?

Tell me, HOW does a woman live socially? I'm sure I don't fit half the shit on their checklist (which I'll bet they don't even have.) TMI coming: I have my period just now. I'm living PHYSICALLY as female. I'm not wearing makeup, I'm dressed in a t-shirt, and I've been looking up pictures of old cars online. Not sure I'm "socially living" as a woman here.

Woman is NOT a social behavior!!!!

RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Self ID means a man legally becomes a women just by filling out a form, or a woman legally becomes a man just by filling out a form.

Q-Continuum-kin 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

It seems like there's something weird about the Spanish language that primes people to go full braindead on QT+ bullshit. Or Spanish speaking people who are in English speaking countries or the English based QT narratives.

Central and southern America, southern California... Then you have the weirdness in the Philippines.

There's also the heavy religious influence which heavily emphasizes gender.

PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Then you have the weirdness in the Philippines.

Would you mind filling me in on this? American here, and am currently corresponding with a 21-year-old self-described "pan trans man" in the Philippines. She's quite a lovely person, but seems to have bought into all the genderology-brainwashing: rejects being female, envies male bodies and is convinced that she needs to have one (wants to "transition" ASAP), says she's attracted to "gender" above all and doesn't even care about anyone's sex, etc. Is this representative of what's happening in that country?

RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

That law is worse than the Irish version. In Ireland, you still have to be over 16 to transition, and even then, you will need consent from your parents and a psychiatrist before they’ll let you transition until you’re 18. Obviously still bad, but there is a degree to how bad a government can be.

supersmokio6420 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 2 years ago

Spain recently rejected self-ID, so its extra disappointing they're allowing this.