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[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As I've learned from my lesbian friend, it is much better if you show her their actions, how they are erasing lesbian history and women, how they are infiltrating sports, how they are hurting young lesbians, show detransitions, and so on. There a lot of things! And do not be agressive, just put plain facts, names, situations (like violent attack on Vancouver Women's Library, while they already had Vancouver Transgender's Library). Because their ideology is just a religion, so it is hard to logically explain why it harms, without showing the results of their actions.

Here little helper (it has a ton of links, if you click on every blue text): https://forwomen.scot/did-you-know/ and archive of it just in case https://archive.is/9ZCBb

[–]8bitgay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I've seen this with some people I know too. Though sometimes I show this to one of my gay friends and he just brushes things off as being exceptions, isolated cases, etc.

A big issue I see is that people often claim that we're using the false equivalence fallacy. I mean, if you see a gay guy supporting "heterophobia" it is a false equivalence to say it's the same as straight people supporting homophobia. Their logic is that it's the same when trans people are homophobic. That one friend is like that, he only complains about homophobia when it comes from conservative cis white men, otherwise he'll brush it off as being that gay guys are less oppressed than other groups so it's a false equivalence to criticize homophobia from these groups.

Not that I disagree with you. I think showing examples of what is going on is the best shot at making people start support gay men/lesbian women more, instead of supporting views that are inherently homophobic. Yet, changing is always hard for people, and many people prefer to ignore something even when they see it. It might be our best shot but it isn't easy.

Honestly the current situation makes me feel pretty lonely when I'm trying to make friends, or when I talk with people who are already my friends/acquaintances. I might be talking about the representation of gay/lesbian characters in media with a gay friend and he just has to say something like "oh but what about trans representation" (and he is more moderated then the guy I mentioned above!). It's pretty lame when you find out the other person supports these views.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"oh but what about trans representation"

TRA are so good on this narrative, everyone speaking to them everywhere, in all unrelated topics. Speaking with friends about fishing? Someone will mention transes.