DiscussionStar Trek TNG: The Outcast

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[–]davids877Straight Male Man 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The Orville, Season 1, Epoisode 3. "About a girl"

[–]fr_bandersnatchghey...[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not familiar with that series. But similar I presume?

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Tangentially similar.

Spoilers for the episode: Spaceship from 'totally not a knock-off of the federation' Mixed species crew, humans and others. One crewmember is from an all male species with a husband. They hatch a child, child is actually female, request an immediate sex change from their ship's doctor(human), she says 'no way in hell'. Ship's captain(human) says the same. They return to their planet where a trial begins with the ship's crew representing no-sex-change. Even with proof that there are females doing stuff in their society the society decides to change the child's sex. Fin.

[–]fr_bandersnatchghey...[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

And is the audience intended to sympathize with or oppose the sex change?

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think as the crew is the stand-in for the audience they are meant to oppose it. It's considered a 'downer' ending. The up-beat-trek ending would have been "Ok, we've convinced this evil alien race to stop doing sex corrective surgery on their female children."

It was just 3 years ago, I'm not even sure if that episode would fly today with the massive increase in the visibility of the trans agenda.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I remember watching this. Definitely a downer ending. It would be deemed transphobic now to even suggest that a forced transition of a newborn could be seem as anything but the most wonderful thing in the whole universe.

[–]davids877Straight Male Man 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can see today's take on it: Transphobic ship's doctor refuses. Captain orders her to, she still refuses. They go to the alien's home planet. Doctor sees the results of the 0.1% who weren't transitioned at birth and how their lives were destroyed by the alien equivalent of puberty making them the wrong shape/unattractive/whatever and the doctor sees the error of her ways and says that if any of the alien people need transitioning when their ship is around to just give her a call.