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Incels are just the reactionary opposite to extreme radical feminism on the spectrum of divisive gender ideologies. Change my find.

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[–]Xas 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 4 years ago* (16 children)

there are also some incels that wanted companionship but now feel hate due to their knowledge of female nature. But I think those individuals need to leave their hate behind.

In mgtow, there are many who're not incels but have experienced the effects of hypergamy, with relationship after relationship going south for no reason. For a period they can often feel rage, especially after learning about female nature, but eventually they grow out of it and seek to self improve and avoid female relations.

Incels that hate, are in a similar position to many average looking mgtows that went through a period of hate. Even if they got the relation they once wanted it'd likely go south, but just as mgtows learned to surpass the hate, they too should focus on self improvement and learn to accept their situation and move on. I wouldn't necessarily say avoid all women relations like mgtow, but to keep the knowledge and expectation that for an ugly dude it will be extremely hard for such to come by and it will likely end south.

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[–]Xas 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (13 children)

it is common, but don't think it is necessary. If you'd only have one or two very short relations, or if you're spending years on end looking for a relation, I think that qualifies.

You could say there are degrees of inceldom. For example I would say a guy that pays a prostitute not for sex but for companionship and chatting with her, for a made-up fake relation, is an incel. Though we could argue about it, I think it fits the definition. This is the kind of incel phenomena you could easily see in mainstream media, without the media asking or emphasizing why is this wealthy dude(as I've often seen it portrayed as wealthy unattractive dudes) engaging in such behavior. Why does he have to resort to that? Mainstream media avoids going into the causes and the reason such a need may emerge.

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[–]Xas 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (10 children)

I'm not talking about Cosby Harvey, they wanted sex, probably not companionship, and they exchanged deals in one case or in another drugged their victims, iirc.

What I'm talking about, I don't recall the exact examples, but I seem to recall from several media sources, portrayals of wealthy men who go to brothels again and again, to chat with a particular prostitute and experience some kind of companionship even if fake.

As for blame, in some intermediate cases it could be. But you should watch faceandlms videos on youtube before they get taken down. He does experiments with a chad profile in online dating, gets tons of approaches. He acts depressed in some conversations with women, highly insecure in others, very abusive in others, insinuates he molests minors, etc. Doesn't matter what the chad says in conversation or the insult the chad throws, the women not only continue the conversation but schedule a date and give their numbers to him.

Talks of highly abusive boyfriends, the girls just don't know why they can't do without, of course abusive chad is still chad after all.

At the same time women complain that they are not slot machines you put in 'niceness' tokens and get sex out of them.
The existence of the friendzone, women telling their friend how much they understand them and how they wish their abusive boyfriend was just like them. Using them as emotional tampons.

Face also shows the disinterest, disgust, and uncomfortableness that many women seem to experience and show when a man below their standards approaches them.

I don't know if you've seen how many places now have guards that approach any men that randomly approach women. Women commenting how they don't like to be complemented on their looks(by men below their standards), women dressing very provocatively(for chad) complaining about being looked at in a sexual way.

The reality is yes, some incels are fakecels, claiming to be incels but not really, and should approach women and put more effort. But there are real incels who've put the real effort and still see no results. We can dismiss them, as well as the mgtow movement which also knows of female nature?

How do you tell the mgtows who have experienced perhaps half a dozen failed relations that they should try harder? some have, it hasn't made any difference. When women initiate 80% of divorces, maybe female nature is something that has to be understood.

Or are you going to deny hypergamy? Or the graphs showing women consider 80% of men below average? Or the fact women who get surgery and lose weight suddenly have an 80~% chance of divorce not the average 50~%? Or the friendzone? Or the existence of chad?

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[–]Xas 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (8 children)

I agree that resentment is not the answer. And that incels who feel hatred upon learning of female nature should abandon that hate.

But the graphs show men rate women looks accurately, while women rate 80% of men as below average. And most men would be happy to go with an average or slightly below average woman. Even in extremely below average there are still many men who would want a relation. Put a deformed girl profile online, and she gets tons of approaches, put a deformed man online and no matter how many he contacts he'll simply be rejected. And while a chad profile gets hundreds or thousands of approaches, a deformed man gets none.

While chad can say anything offensive insulting etc and mostly get away wit hit, a deformed man can have the best conversational skills and will be rejected by practically all women he approaches.

Look, we've all read and seen in media depictions of the guy with a life long crush for someone, that sees a girl as different from all others and unique and irreplaceable, that approaches the girl only to be rejected. Perhaps ending in the friendzone, where the girl tells him how much she shares in common with him, how much she likes his personality and other traits, etc. In some cases you hear how she just went after an abusive bad boy, and how she complains about the constant abuses but can't leave him for reasons she doesn't understand.The cherry on top is when she tells the friendzone guy that she wishes her boyfriend was just like him in personality and behavior.

If we left it up to mainstream media, such cases would be a mystery indeed. Even in the red pill some say you just have to be more abusive and less caring, as if that was the reason for chad's success. Chad succeeds in spite of the abuse not because of it.

They implicitly tell you the truth, by making the friends most often below average, while the bad boy is an attractive chad. But due to political correctness they don't outright tell you why that happened. Why one guy got rejected by the girl of his dreams while an asshole got to be with her intimately despite abysmal personality and abusiveness.

But the answer is simple, it was just looks. Good genetics. Females are the guardians of the species, they must ensure genetic quality is maintained in the population. If this wasn't the case and they started to go for guys with extremely long noses, or very short or excessively tall(8+ft), or bad genes, these would propagate and the species would change over time for the worse.

The variation in height has to be kept within certain ranges, the sizes of noses, mouths, etc. Their variation has to be kept in check. There are species that have lasted for tens of millions of years without change. It is said that humans potentially are basically the same from tens of thousands of years ago. In order to keep such stability, genetic quality has to propagate more favorably and be maintained.

Each generation hundreds of new mutations are introduced into each and every baby. Evolution works by weeding out the bad with less reproduction or no reproduction, while at the same time allowing for reproductive success of those who're fitter. It just so happens that the vast majority of mutations are bad, and the best genetics are found in a small fraction of the population.

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[–]Xas 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (3 children)

army has high divorce rate, iirc. They even give benefits to soldiers who marry to hook them up with child support and debt when there's a divorce. If there's a divorce the free provided army lawyer goes to the wife, the man has to hire his own private lawyer.

Look, perhaps you should start at mgtow, before you investigate the blackpill. Many mgtows are average or above average looking and they've seen relation after relation fail. The marriage laws are quite toxic in many places, and getting worse even in places where they are not that bad.

They've changed it to were cohabiting for a period of time automatically marries you, and I've heard there is talk of making it so if you have an intimate relation with a woman for a sufficient time you'll be automatically married.

The family courts are kangaroo courts, and false accusations can land a man in jail even if the woman confesses she lied. In some countries being proven innocent is not enough as there is no double jeopardy and you can be tried time and time again until found guilty.

Look its true some average looking guys lack confidence and think themselves below average. Yet even if they had confidence, the laws stand in their way, and given female nature the laws are bound to bite.

There are gymcels and armycels, and also army mgtows.

Also a blackpill I've not confirmed is that later in life women's libido plummets through the floor, so many marriages become sex less and often loveless too. And although around 50% of marriages end in divorce, many who remained married remain in loveless sexless abusive marriages.

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