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Incels are just the reactionary opposite to extreme radical feminism on the spectrum of divisive gender ideologies. Change my find.
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[–]Pikanto 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (57 children)
You're making a lot of mistakes and bad comparisons.
1) Incels are more about emotional pain, never connecting with the opposite sex, never being desired by the opposite sex, never even getting a simple date. This is due to the fact that women are free to make their own money and scrutinize men's looks unlike ever before. Tinder and dating sites are horrible for below average looking men.
2) Feminism is about equal oppertunity for women socially. Inceldom is about genetic determinism. It means that if you're born ugly in this age, you're doomed to be forever alone.
3) It has NOTHING to do with sex. Any idiot can pay for a prostitute. It has to do with never being desired, never pair bonding, fulfilling your innate genetic desire to start a family with a loved one.
To elaborate on point 1. Women have never had it this good and they can discard atleast 50% of the men with below average looks. This is what they will do: - Hold out till 30 years old, hoping to get fucked by a (possibly drunk) chad. Most likely get pregnant too. - Now they either stay single or snatch a very average looking middle aged guy to pick up their mess. (AKA cucks raising someone else his child in a very dull romanceless, passionless relationship)
Please understand that true, ugly, incels aren't even on the scale of consideration. Reasoning from your own experience is useless, because you have no experience of being below the threshold women hold these days.
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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (11 children)
Celibacy has two categories:
Voluntary.
Involuntary.
I think you strawmanned him pretty damn hard.
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https://saidit.net/s/Incels/comments/1645/incels_are_just_the_reactionary_opposite_to/2ecm
No you definitely strawmanned him.
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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (7 children)
If women aren't attracted to you, you are incel. If you do get sex as an incel, it's because you betabuxxed.
Money doesn't create attraction after all, only physical looks do, and dark triad (10% of the total SMV).
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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (5 children)
Women's attraction isn't purely physical.
Did I say it is?
here are plenty of very unattractive people who find suitable mates
Yes, who?
[Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (as per my reality).
11 meta-analyses show that, across cultures, people tend to agree about who is attractive and who is not, and that attractive people are judged more positively and treated better.
https://saidit.net/s/Incels/comments/15uj/there_are_entire_subreddits_dedicated_to_rating/
Don't fall into a negative feedback loop.
Reality is more positive than lies that I assure you. I have never been happier after realizing how everyone has been lying to me.
Btw, u/austin also agrees with me and he's not young at all. Same with many oldcels here. 😉
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[–]Pikanto 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (43 children)
If that's all you got from my explanation then god help you. I suggest FACEandLMS on youtube if you want more information.
You seem to be hung up on the INCEL term. The truth is that being BLACK PILLED and accepting Genetic determinism is at the core of this "Incel philosophy". I can agree that the term incel is too focused on sex and can be confusing.
You act in your responses like this is entitlement. I never said anyone is entitled to anything (if you read my post carefully it doesn't even imply that), I described what people innately desire. And men have fallen on increasingly hard times. On dating sites women mark 80% of ALL men as below average looking. This is statistically impossible. What you fail to see is that women have unlimited options these days and even a 5/10 to 6/10 is helpless in this dating market. Remember times have changed, women can make their own money, freely have sex because of birth control and can scrutinize men unlike ever before. This gives a great deal of weight to genetic determinism. Bad looks = Bad life, working hard is an excuse and a cope. Even average looking men are fucked on tinder these days. The only thing they can do is dumpster dive extremely ugly women.
But sure, just work hard and it'll work out. You're old school advice is so out of place and out of touch with reality, it's honestly sad. You keep asking people for their age. I bet you're old and completely OBLIVIOUS to the current dating scene.
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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (1 child)
Bad looks doesn't automatically mean your life is relegated to living in the sewer coming up only occasionally to feast on trash.
Just because you're short and ugly you won't necessarily end up in the sewers (what a strawman ufufu).
Check the wiki for more information.
You're world view is myopic.
You have been dragging the pyramid of debate down on this thread, throwing platitudes around, asking people for their age in order to dismiss them. Consider this a warning.
[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (0 children)
I bet you're old and completely OBLIVIOUS to the current dating scene.
Remember to visit /s/BlackPillScience to rekt the bluepillers.
[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (5 children)
So you agree with us?
[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun - 4 years ago (3 children)
What is reality to you?
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (1 child)
/s/spirituality would be a more on-topic sub for you.
Still didn't answer my question though.
[–]hyassin27 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (0 children)
the women will never stop attacking us, it is either fight or die
[–]curryvirgin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (16 children)
Incels predate not just feminism, but humanity. It's simply the result of an oversupply of males, resulting in ones that never mate and reproduce. Imo, it's not necessary to identify as one, or to hate women etc. to be one.
Some rules that people made up, now challenged by feminism, helped to harness these males to provide work to society, but there still has always been excess, and will always be excess due to how we reproduce.
The species can propagate easily, even if more men become incels. Pre-agrarian society had 17 women passing on offspring for every 1 man.
Technology could allow this ratio to increase even further now, without jeopardizing humanity- simply have robots do the work that unnecessary males that aren't good enough to mate would have, and let them rot. Then legalize prostitution, or create sex bots to pacify them. I am not hopeful for the future.
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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (0 children)
Sure you can betabux to get laid, but women will only ever be attracted to the top 10% of men.
Oh and something else, many prostitutes or brothels restrict certain races or not natives to have sex with them.
[–]curryvirgin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (13 children)
I'm not sure how many of Amsterdam's finest choose to carry their work to full term. I figure it's a fairly low number. I guess this is where the mess of human sexuality and reproduction, and maybe morality complicate things.
I guess the reason to suggest Amsterdam is that there's no punishment there for buying prostitution. Putting aside human trafficking and organized crime concerns, if all a person wants is sex, that's probably a good option for them. If you have moral/personal or legal qualms about it though, I don't think it's a valuable suggestion. By the same token, you could just have sex with a man (or a sheep), or roofie someone and have sex.
You've done it, at that point, if this is all just about sex. But you're very far removed from how things are meant to go. As a person, you are still unlike the majority of people that manage to have sex without paying for it, and the reasons for this remain and continue to affect your life. Your psyche will continue to reflect this.
You could counter that a person still has had sex at that point. That might be enough for some people. I still think in relating to being an unnecessary male though, it solves nothing. It's only a confirmation that you are unfit to be a mate.
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[–]curryvirgin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (4 children)
I'm not sure if you misread that by choice or honest confusion. I am not entitled to a 10/10 girl, or any girl, or anything apart from dying, by being alive.
I didn't mean that we are meant to automatically have these things, that I am entitled to sex with a 10. I meant that prostitution is not how most people normally have sex.
On the other hand, it sounds like entitlement is behind your thinking that if you just try hard enough, you can obtain success with women. That's the entire basis of niceguy thinking- "I did good and tried hard enough, so I must be rewarded with sex". This is not guaranteed as well.
What if you cannot try enough to overcome the reasons you do not have success? Is success guaranteed? I figure it isn't, and so just like a swallow with tail feathers too short to attract a mate, a person can be an incel.
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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (2 children)
Jeremy meeks also didn't try and he succeeded, women also don't try and they succeed. You don't have to try, you have to be good-looking.
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Don't know about ugly, but surely they aren't short? Check the wiki.
[–]Xas 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (5 children)
The issue is not being entitled. The issue is that companionship is an innate human need. And the issue is not try harder. You seem like a noob to this topic. You take the incel word literally without realizing that it basically stands for companionshipless, and when that is pointed out to you you say incels are entitled for feeling bad for being unable to fulfill a basic human need despite immense effort.
The issue is trying hard and having a lottery like chance of success, with constant failure after failure, all while seeing chad succeed with no effort at all. And even if success is achieved in a rare moon, hypergamy means the rare relationship may still end after a short period.
Have you not seen the blind date tv programs, were the woman is very happy chatting for like ten minutes with a guy, connecting saying how good a match they are, kissing, etc. Just to act completely disgusted and shocked after the lights turn on and reveal a below average looking man? That's your personality and good conversation for you.
At the same time that a chad touches a women and is thought of as daring and attractive, an incel merely approaching and saying hi is seen as an insult and offensive, often making the woman feel uncomfortable. People have been reported to HR merely for making women uncomfortable merely by their presence, without any action.
You seem to still not counter any of the points in this thread, this is your 2nd warning, and a pretty severe one at that.
You didn't disagree with anything, you only said some irrelevant platitudes.
That's not what he meant.
[–]Xas 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (28 children)
The problem is you see a rare once in a blue moon pity relationship, and you go wow bravo these are super common and many perhaps most disabled have caring wives. But the reality is quite different, in many if not the vast majority of cases such are cared by direct family or institutions.
And not just handicapped but below average looking men will invoke a feeling of disgust and make women feel uncomfortable, upon approach, to the vast majority of women.
You put a disabled woman on a dating site and she'll get dozens if not hundreds of contacts. Put a disabled man online dating and not a single response.
Sometimes gold diggers go for below average looking men, but you often see those wealthy ugly men with their beautiful wives acting with disdain and disgust in public, let alone in private. Some do hide it better. And again there may be other reasons, and rare exceptions. But they are the exception not the rule.
I can point to you a lottery winner and tell you how, see, anyone can be rich. But that is just as valid as your example of the lucky cripple having frequent sex with a loving companion.
Even in cases were women are married to a loving caring man, many times the relation ends in divorce if the man ends up crippled or severely disfigured, even when there are kids involved.
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[–]Xas 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago* (25 children)
That's the problem, you seem to think people are not still trying(if we were in an economic depression and someone posted how hard it is to find a job on a sub reddit, discussion/=not still looking for a job). As for those who've tried for decades, perhaps gotten a rare one to two year relation that ended bad, maybe their experience tells them better.
In any case, it is very interesting seeing the true nature of human relations exposed.
Why is it that when certain guys enter the room all the women start subtly looking at them, and some starts spontaneously approaching them or flirting openly. Why is it that certain guys have learnt to hire attractive escorts with them, escorts that leave after a while(and don't have sex with them), but other women having seen their faked interest in them at the club, take them as evaluated as fit by other attractive women and start paying attention to them.
There are many interesting explanations for behavior seen out in the wild. One I found funny was the chad who got a mugshot that went viral and became wealthy from others giving him money just because he was good-looking. While the below average crook gets to enjoy jail time and poverty, the chad gets fame and fortune just for committing a crime, and not just fame and fortune but plenty of women approaching him. That's the difference chad gets wealth and sex merely for being, even if he commits a felony perhaps even for committing a felony as in that case. And don't think it is just that either, promotions, deals, etc are given to him merely for being.
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[–]Xas 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (23 children)
quite old actually. But there are probably older individuals in their 60s and 70s who've seen these explanations and gotten a better grasp of their life experiences.
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[–]Xas 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 4 years ago (21 children)
over 40 wont give range.
But you appear to try and look for ways to dismiss incels and the reality of the blackpill. First talking about prostitutes, later talking about entitlement, and if not talking about age.
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You didn't counter any of his points.
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