Announcing /s/Gender_Critical

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[–]Yayme 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Well, with a sub this small, obviously it will fall mostly on you to provide content to build the sub. And it looks a lot like the red pill women’s sub right now. And that’s not something I’ll engage with.

I mean, you be you... if that’s what makes you happy then have at it. I’m just never going to subscribe to the belief that women are born to be “second mates” while men are born to “captain.”

And I think living your life expecting a man to provide for you socially and financially is always going to be a lopsided relationship, that puts women on the losing end. I think it’s short sighted to believe that millions of women marched and fought for the right to live a life free of those types of expectations and relationships for no reason.

It’s funny that traditionally conservative women and Marxists have so much in common - disdain for porn and overt displays of female sexuality... but also have so many differences - namely who should be “in charge” of a woman.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm surprised to hear it sounds like a "red pill women's" forum to you. And that's fine if you don't want to engage, I would encourage everybody to keep their time and energy focused where it is most beneficial for them. I would sincerely hate to find out I'd helped a woman waste her time here. :(

I made the sub because of topics that were censored on r/GC, that I was unhappy to see censored. Some of those topics seemed like they were intentionally participating in suppressing information not at all related to GC or radical feminism or anything. Some because I just don't personally think they're true at this moment and would like to be able to have open discussion about them, without feeling like I need to take an ideological line.

Personally I hadn't intended to make any post arguing that women should be "helpmeets" to a male "captain". I'm more trying to free myself from what I view as a dogmatic position that GC has held. What if we find women are usually gifted at X or Y mental activity in a surprising and unexpected way? What if we find out women's abilities are way more plastic and the result of life experience than thought? I mean sure, we might find out women are all super dumb and should try to act dumber than they are, idk. But we can't even discuss these things on GC because of what I view as a dogmatic stance. And I don't like that. I want to be able to actually discuss these things openly.

I do want women who believe that "helpmeet" to "captain" stuff to be able to speak freely here, because I think they are unable to in lots of women's spaces... and they're women, for goodness sakes! I also want women who strongly disagree with that to be able to speak here. I want to be able to talk to each other. To share opinions. I want there to be a space for women where all these opinions are present, so that a woman can read and decide for herself what she thinks makes sense, instead of it being decided by a moderator. Not to fight with each other, but to have a place where these opinions can all be voiced, where we can find common ground. Maybe where we can work for all women while allowing all women a voice and supporting each other where it makes sense, without imposing ideology on anyone, or having to compromise our own to participate.

Again, thanks for replying. It's nice to know if this space doesn't work for you (and presumably other women like you), and why.

[–]luckystar 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm not the person you are replying to, but I am a far left progressive woman who agrees with much of GC but just kinda feels like they go too far off the deep end of transphobia (stuff like mocking trans women for looking mannish and ugly for instance, or even disapproving of people like Blaire White and Buck Angel who are imo have a very challenging mental condition that they've managed extremely well and if anything are examples of how people can be trans without necessarily hurting women). For that reason among others I can't say I'm truly GC, just a generic feminist that has some opinions that literally only GC spaces are talking about.

I also find it frustrating when I hear about a very relevant issue displaying the conflict between trans rights and women's rights but there are no "neutral-ish" sources, and I'd be interested in finding a way to deal with this, either by starting a new website that isn't dripping in charged terms like "autogenyphilic predatory TIMs" and "mutilated axe wound penis", but rather talks about these very real issues in a way that won't make left leaning people immediately go "ew, TERF" and promptly reject the information out of hand.

For instance-- the "non binary lesbian" who tells detractors to suck his "girldick" lobbying to dismantle protections for women in the NY Democratic party and even taking the space of a "Female Leadership" position of the party. This is NOT "woke" or good, it is blatantly a privileged white male trying to use trans ideology to undo decades of women's rights work. Most left leaning people who hear about this issue will agree that some activists have crossed the line (I tested by telling people around me). However I didn't want to link to any websites that are openly "radical feminist" because they WILL dismiss it as "TERF propaganda" out of hand and thus disconnect from the conversation. There are NO other sources. A few radfem blogs and places like Lipstick Alley and one New York based LGBT blog post phrasing the situation in a positive tone (something like "dismantling the gender binary and including non binary folxxx in politics"). I know MSM won't touch anything that could be negative towards anything vaguely "trans" related but imo this NEEDS to be addressed somewhere in a way that doesn't malign all trans people, if nothing else because we need to help more people understand what the problem is and potential allies are going to be turned off by "TERF websites" if that makes sense.

Sorry for hijacking this thread to basically rant lol I've been pretty frustrated lately

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

some opinions that literally only GC spaces are talking about

Yeah that's a good reminder that a lot of stuff is just hard to talk about anywhere else. Does this include stuff besides the trans issue?

For instance-- the "non binary lesbian" who tells detractors to suck his "girldick" lobbying to dismantle protections for women in the NY Democratic party and even taking the space of a "Female Leadership" position of the party. This is NOT "woke" or good, it is blatantly a privileged white male trying to use trans ideology to undo decades of women's rights work. Most left leaning people who hear about this issue will agree that some activists have crossed the line (I tested by telling people around me)

That surprises me actually! I would have thought people would have been on board with it.

I didn't want to link to any websites that are openly "radical feminist" because they WILL dismiss it as "TERF propaganda" out of hand and thus disconnect from the conversation.

Yes, I've had this experience. I didn't understand why people felt so uncomfortable with feministcurrent.

I also find it frustrating when I hear about a very relevant issue displaying the conflict between trans rights and women's rights but there are no "neutral-ish" sources, and I'd be interested in finding a way to deal with this, either by starting a new website that isn't dripping in charged terms like "autogenyphilic predatory TIMs" and "mutilated axe wound penis", but rather talks about these very real issues in a way that won't make left leaning people immediately go "ew, TERF" and promptly reject the information out of hand.

That sounds like a valuable resource. I bet a lot of people would really appreciate less polarizing content on this issue.

I feel, idk, like I understand the political polarization stuff more since covid happened. I feel like I keep repeating myself but whatever. The masks issue. Back in January it was not a political issue. Now it is. The whole thing has become so politicized. We should know much more now about the actual hard facts but with the absolute deluge of information and opinions about it, it's difficult to just find the facts. I feel like a similar thing has happened in may other issues too that have become politicized, trans being one of them. It would be nice to just stick to the facts and figure out something that makes sense and works and is fair to everyone.