About the origins of the word "gender"

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (48 children)

No, learn nuance.

Sex education is a part of womens rights. A fairly big one, too. Someone who appoints themselves as enough of an authority on feminism to be telling feminists what they should do and how they should speak should have made that connection.

[–]SnowAssMan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

Sex education is a part of womens rights

Now you're just making up reasons to disagree, my question was whether it was about women's rights or not. The fact that you reformulated it first before disagreeing demonstrates that you know the answer is "no".

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (46 children)

So you are totally incapable of nuance. Explains a bit.

Come back when you can explain why a book about sex education is not a part of womens rights. Also interesting that you seem to think a book about sex education would only be about intercourse, and not the processes of puberty differences for each sex.

[–]SnowAssMan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

You're still not actually disagreeing with what I said. A book called sex education isn't about women's rights. Putting words in my mouth is manipulation, not nuance.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

I’m disagreeing because you’re acting like sex education would not ever explain that there are two sexes with differences between them, and only uses sex to mean intercourse.

My point in the initial comment was more about how you have elected yourself as the person to tell feminists what language to use and how you are wrong to do that.

[–]SnowAssMan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (43 children)

Sex organs would certainly come up. The book still wouldn't be about women's rights though. Do a search in this book: https://pdf.zlibcdn.com/dtoken/ffc8e7bf368f98dd4e7734703363e6bf/Sex_Education_and_Sexual_Health_Teaching_Knowledg_16819560_(z-lib.org).pdf for "sexes" or "male sex" or "female sex". Do a search for "sex" & see if any of the instances are referring to the sexes, instead of intercourse

...you have elected yourself...

I think if anyone is doing that, it's OP.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (42 children)

Op didn’t literally say ‘feminists should…’ and then carry on like a pork chop because feminists didn’t agree with them.

Can you like, go be wrong and melodramatic at someone else now please. Seriously you are behaving exactly like masks who you have berated for the same behaviour.

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (41 children)

She is saying English-speaking feminists should. There are feminists who agree with me & others who don't. It's called diversity of opinion.

I've berated everyone for being unable to provide evidence to support their claims. I gave you link to a kids' book on sex education, demonstrating the lack of the word sex to mean what most here insist it means (a collective term for males & females). Not that I expect you to recognise evidence when you're shown it. Got a counter example? Thought not.

[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Lol, I looked up the history of the word and I said whatI think about it. I think it's a losing strategy to say gender instead of sex, but I don't care to police the language of English speaking feminists. This is not my first language, anyway and it's not on me to decide on the issue. I care more about Spanish speakers not blindly follow the lead of English ones.

You're the only one telling us what words we should use despite not being GC.

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

I clearly have GC reasons for wanting to take "gender" back, so what exactly makes me "not GC"?

Your OP downplayed the role feminism has had in mainstreaming the word "gender". And over-emphasised John Money's importance. It also misrepresented Stoller & Money as sharing the same ideology as modern transgenderism, when clearly modern post-structuralist choice-feminism is the only other group who share transgenderist beliefs. I've pointed out some of the other discrepancies in your findings in my first comment. But in every reply you keep going back to your initial views.

All I'm suggesting is that feminists quit capitulating to transgenderism, which is a sentiment expressed by every GC user here. One such capitulation is being complicit in transgenderism's appropriation of the word "gender", & the term "gender identity". Some GC feminists even say "trans-woman" – that too is a capitulation. Saying "biologically female" instead of just "female" is yet another example of feminist capitulation, etc.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Hmm how about everyone in my family? How about myself? How about my first, second, and third primary schools? All use sex differently to you. I can assure you that my year four science tests asked us which sex the pictured plant was based on a diagram, not what gender it was.

And all of them will be immediately dismissed because only your anecdotes are valuable to you here. 🙄

Also. Is op a woman? And are you a woman or a man? (Do you think it might be in poor taste for a male to elect himself boss of feminism? Probably not given how you’re acting)

[–]SnowAssMan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Don't assure me, evince it. Linking to examples ≠ anecdotes. Identity politics is never viable, hence why Fox News employs it.