All: How have your beliefs evolved?

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[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But also not doing anything for them.

Why should GC do anything about? It's trans identified males who don't want to share spaces with men, you're the ones who should be advocating for third spaces. And don't give me the ridiculous excuse that no one cares about what trans identified people wants. The trans lobby has been changing laws and policies behind everyone's back to make self-ID a thing. In some countries, "gender identity" is already enshrined in law. There is a middle aged man that will be competing against women in a Olympics's weightlifting event, and he is far from being the only male competing in the female categories of several sports. You have a good bunc of the Media supporting your causes and using prefered prounouns and other "inclusive language". Even news sources who publish articles against transgenderism often use "prefered pronouns". To say nothing of the support from Big Tech companies like Google, Reddit, Twitter, etcetera. Many scientis and health care professionals are bending backwards to entertain absurd ideas like sex is a spectrum or that you can change sex. But you can't have third spaces? Give me a break!

If you have a problem with the status quo, you should complain with the trans activists who are doing nothing to make trans spaces a possibility. Of course, it will be useless as they don't wan't third spaces. No, they want the women's spaces. If it were merely a matter of safety, third spaces should suffice. However, third spaces won't provide the "validation" and the access to vunlnerable victims that many trans identified males actually want.

Why should women do anything for you when it's obvious you don't give a f*** about women and that you only see us as human shields?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's trans identified males who don't want to share spaces with men, you're the ones who should be advocating for third spaces. And don't give me the ridiculous excuse that no one cares about what trans identified people wants.

We’ve had this conversation. Why ask and then tell me not to answer? If you just want to rant and not actually have a conversation there’s gc main.

If you have a problem with the status quo, you should complain with the trans activists who are doing nothing to make trans spaces a possibility.

You are the ones arguing for change. The stausbquo is us having access to necessary facilities. You are arguing to have us banned from them. And without accompanying safety changes. That’s my point.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We’ve had this conversation. Why ask and then tell me not to answer?

Yes, we have had this conversation before and I find your claims of nobody listening to trans identified people unconvincing. So, if trans identified people are so marginalized as you said, explain to me how have they acomplished all the things I listed and more, and in such a short time.

If you just want to rant and not actually have a conversation there’s gc main.

Says the person who is contantly ranting in this sub.

You are the ones arguing for change. The stausbquo is us having access to necessary facilities. You are arguing to have us banned from them. And without accompanying safety changes. That’s my point.

You are NOT entintled to use women's spaces just because you want to. Trans identified males are using them because they don't give a dam about ignoring women's boundaries and have bully society to accept all your demands without questioning. You cry about being in danger in men's spaces, but trans identified males don't give a dam about any harm a woman may suffer as consequense of males entering formerly single-sex spaces like bathrooms, changing rooms, shelters, prisons, etcetera. And there is no lack of examples of women being hurt because of this. So, again, don't dodge the question and tell me why should we care about you when you obviously don't care about us? You only view us as human shields and necessary collateral damage to get what you want, and then get mad when women are not rushing to do whatever you want?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We haven’t accomplished anything. Lgbt people together have done it for us, not us alone. You also wildly overestimate the protections in place for most trans people. Cherry-picking from the few places with right s doesn’t demonstrate some kind of dominating trans cabal.

Again you are the one arguing for a change from status quo. How can you argue that you are morally justified by arguing for a change that will absolutely harm trans women without doing something to mitigate that harm. You are the one arguing for something to change.