How do we tell the difference?

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[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If someone is passing well enough no one really minds.

It' s not that people don' t mind, it' s that people don' t know. They don' t have the chance to decide whether they mind or not because they don' t know what is happening.

[–]FlanJam 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

That's true. Would be interesting to see a poll of how many women would be okay with tranwomen in bathrooms, passing or nonpassing. My guess is more women would be okay with passing transwomen than nonpassing. I wonder how many would say no transwomen at all tho.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I wonder how many would say no transwomen at all tho.

That will depend on personal experience. Most women would say "I will be fine" just to look nice. We are expected to "be nice and put our feelings away".

However, in the anonymous survey in the UK few years ago, when question was "are you fine with transwomen in women's bathrooms", a bit more than half of women answered "yes", however, when question was the same but "without surgery and with penis intact" amount of women who answered "yes" was less than 10%. And when question was same but transwoman was not passing, "yes" was around 15-20%. So looks like questions themselves means a lot.

This means that in most cases, in general population, most people are assuming that transwomen are all passing, after surgery and are homosexual (they are attracted to men). This means they do not realizing that now any manly man can be transwoman, all they need is just say "I feel like a woman every sunday", that almost all of transwomen have no surgeries and that majority of transwomen are heterosexual and attracted to women.

[–]FlanJam 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That's true, most people aren't really aware of the issues and what QT actually looks like today.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Could you share a link to that survey?

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I had it on my Twitter in Bookmarks, but seems like account who linked it was banned.

Those were UK surveys, there were few of them. Some of them are often linked by gender activists as proof that women are fine with transwomen in toilets, without going into details (and when going into details we are seeing that it is not true).

There were few surveys linked, I just now checked through internet, but found only one of them.

This survey is very biased, because it was sponsored by PinkNews. And even while being strongly biased towards Transgender people and population being asked more supportive, it still shows that even there many are "Woke on public, TERF at home":

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2020-07-16/Transgender%20attitudes%20summary-01.png

https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/ai3h3xvf7o/Transgender%20data%202020.pdf

Here drop is not that huge - for transwomen with surgery 42-46% for "should be using women's toilets and changing rooms", but when "have no surgery" - drops to 26-31%. Also, more poor economically people (ones who more likely to use public facilities) seems to be around 8-12% less supportive of this, while middle-high class people (who most likely would never use public facilities) seems to be more willing to put transwomen into women's bathrooms. And majority of people who are fine with putting transwomen into women's toilets are 18-24 years old.

In general in all cases majority are not supporting this.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you. Very interesting.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is so sad that so many feminists and lesbians are being banned from most big social media platforms.

I think I've lost too many great threads because of it. I would like to find all surveys and researches were there in comments too, but seems it is lost forever now and I can't find it by searching in search engine, looks like I need to know exactly what I am searching to find it.