ALL: Would removing "real life experience" requirements from trans healthcare benefit everyone?

submitted by ntr4ctrAdult Male with gender dysphoria from (self.GCdebatesQT)

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[–]ntr4ctrAdult Male with gender dysphoria[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I will say, since these surgeries are available, the only people who should be considered for them should be people who can acknowledge that they aren’t women and are men.

The problem is, right now, it's the reverse. Men are required to call themselves women in order to get these surgeries, and to have experience "living as women" (i.e. impersonating women and invading female spaces).

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Do you really believe most transwomen are forced to ~identify as women~?

Cause no. They identify as women and get the surgery in a poor attempt to make their bodies match their imagination.

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Only one tenth of people who identify as women did or want to do surgery. So majority are just on cross-sex hormones and sometimes not even that.

[–]ntr4ctrAdult Male with gender dysphoria[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

They are forced to if they want to get the surgery, yes. It's a standard requirement that patients must "live as their preferred gender" (i.e. pretend to be women) for a year before getting genital removal.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope. Most identify as women long before they demand their titty skittles or surgery.

You are wrong and asking random women on the internet to do you personal favours and vote how you want and it’s based on a wrong assumption. Nice one.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I know- I’m saying that’s what I disagree with

[–]ntr4ctrAdult Male with gender dysphoria[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So would you be amenable to removing this requirement?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In an ideal world, qualified professionals would push for and find alternative and less extreme treatments, but since transitioning is what people claim is a “cure” or treatment, I would say that if 1. The patient can acknowledge their sex, and that they are not transitioning to the opposite sex/gender, that their sex will not and cannot change and this procedure is purely to alleviate dysphoria and 2. If they are male, they agree to leave female spaces (and sports etc) alone, then yes, I’d be fine with those two points, coupled with a diagnosis of dysphoria, being the requirements for the procedure. I was only saying I agree that to me, altering the external isn’t a cure for the internal. But idgaf what adults do to themselves, provided they are mentally sound.

This way, though, females retain female spaces- though I’m sure many TW who pass or think they do would still invade spaces, at least we’d be able to tell an obvious male to remove himself from our spaces.