Toxic masculinity and "toxic femininity" are intertwined: women loving men and women hating men for the most cringe and BS reasons (unmasculine, bisexual, gender non-conforming, sexually undominant, etc.) are two sides of the same coin.

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[–]kt0998 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yeah, this is basically the essence of Black Pill Feminism. Radical feminism claims that women are unwilling participants of patriarchy. But if this is true, then why after decades of freedom do 99% of women continue to cling to male supremacy? Especially in their private lives - sexually and romantically. Radfems just keep insisting "it's socialization" but where do we draw the line? How many generations will we wait until we admit that women will never give up their "dominant daddy" fantasies? And if it's socialization, then why straight women like me who were socialized the same way, turned out different?

If you see a pattern repeat in every human society, across cultures and centuries, you can assume that this pattern is rooted in biology. Humans have always had hierarchies, inequality, war etc because we are wired to behave in that way, just like every species of pack animal behaves according to their nature. And one of the most consistent patterns we see in EVERY human society (no, matriarchal societies haven't existed, even truly gender equal ones are myth) is female submission to male dominance. We are absolutely hardwired to that and the existence of small minority of people like the readers of this community are just the exception that proves the rule.

Men are the perfect predator and women the perfect prey. Men evolved to be socipathic, violent, narcissistic, sexually obsessed, pedophilic, sadistic etc and women evolved to enjoy being dominated and brutalized by those men. Most women can't even get off in sex without men choking and roughing them up, just like men can't get off without doing that shit either, and this didn't start with porn. Women literally have evolved to be masochistic to be able to tolerate and even enjoy being raped and abused by men, and to have stockholm syndrome and endless empathy and delusions of love that allow them to fall in love and serve those men. Women are slave species, bred by men who selected the most submissive women and killed those that resisted. But women have also done their parts by selecting "alpha males" which is just a code for sociopath.

[–]_Moon_[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

men can't get off without doing that shit either, and this didn't start with porn

Radicalwhirl (I believe) and I had this discussion a few days or weeks ago. The Radfems have it all upside down. They believe that men are shit because porn (and other things) are shit. But maybe it's exactly the other way around - maybe porn is shit because men are shit and because the DEMAND for torture porn is older than its supply.

To my knowledge, there have been dozens of attempts to create "feminist porn" and "alternative porn" - and they all have either turned out to be nothing but run-of-the-mill porn (the only """alternative""" thing being that the pretty young women featured wore dreadlocks and were filmed outside in a forest scene. Like those porn hipsters who were featured on VICE once) or they have all gone bankrupt because there is simply no demand for it.

[–]kt0998 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Women can't handle the truth about male nature (and female nature too) which is why the marxist "blank slate" lie is so effective on women. Deep inside they might know men are born this way, but they can never accept it because their happiness relies in believing that they can find some goodness buried inside the ugly " male socialization". Juts read any romance novels, all of them feature men who are assholes and treat women like shit until the patiently loving heroine exposes their "heart of gold" and they live happily ever after.

"Feminist porn" is a bad joke and like you said, there is no market for it. Just look at any big porn site, the most popular stuff is always the most degrading and sick misogynist content. Nothing is a bigger turn-off to men than the idea of respecting a woman.

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Juts read any romance novels, all of them feature men who are assholes and treat women like shit until the patiently loving heroine exposes their "heart of gold" and they live happily ever after.

The popularity of alpha male submissive female romance novels is the most visible proof for the hierarchical nature of human sexuality. Men get off dominating and women get off being dominated. Even though radfems may accept this, they are unwilling to extrapolate this pattern to human behaviour in general. Radfems believe whatever happens behind closed doors is exempt from scrutiny. Imo, the private behaviour of humans show exactly what evolution has made us as a species for. After all, from an evolutionary standpoint, hierarchy works well.

[–]kt0998 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Reading romance novels (which I got into accidentally because a lot of fantasy/scifi books for women are thinly veiled romance) was honestly one of the biggest blackpills for me. The sexism and traditional gender dynamics in romance novels can't be blamed on men, because the whole genre and industry is by women for women. A lot of romance/erotica nowadays is even self-published online which means there is ZERO patriarchal gatekeeping. Women literally can and do write whatever they want and then female readers choose what ends up being popular. Surprise surprise, self-published romance is even more about "rich dominant alpha rapist kidnaps the virgin heroine as sex slave" fantasies than traditionally published romance. That's basically what completely dominates (no pun intended) the bestseller lists.

If women aren't biologically attracted to male dominance and evil patriarchy just forces them into it, then where is all the demand for romance and erotica depicting equal feminists relationships without gender roles? If women are no more likely to be sexually submissive than men are, then where are the stories about women dominating men? According to feminists, there should be a growing market for both types of stories as women are now liberated to dictate their own fantasies. Instead, we see endless stream of 50 Shades of Rape Fantasy. Women raped by millionaires, by gangsters, by blue skinned aliens, by vampires etc etc. All of these stories are exactly the same with just details changed and women LOVE them. Even feminists are realizing that they can't deny this pattern anymore, which is why they shifted into claiming that female sexual submission is actually feminist and awesome and has nothing to do with the subjugation of women in society! Once they realize that women will similarly keep choosing family over career ambitions and choosing to be submissive to men in every level of society, they will claim that is also feminism and courageous rebellion against patriarchy, and then we've come full circle.

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Once they realize that women will similarly keep choosing family over career ambitions and choosing to be submissive to men in every level of society, they will claim that is also feminism and courageous rebellion against patriarchy, and then we've come full circle.

Exactly. If women don't realise the reality of their biology and if mainstream feminism continues to glorify conservative lifestyles as empowering, this is whats gonna happen. A reproduction of the '60s glorified housewife legions. Just that, this time women will be wearing the empowered tag while slaving away for man.

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Radicalwhirl (I believe) and I had this discussion a few days or weeks ago.

Yeah, it was me😅

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I agree. But I am sure most women won't have the guts to accept the bitter reality of human biology.

Women are slave species, bred by men who selected the most submissive women and killed those that resisted.

This is the conclusion one logically arrives from the radfem argument that patriarchy works by rewarding women who submit, slave and serve. But radfems will gloss the fact over before their brains can come to this realisation.

[–]radfemvalhalla 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I am sure most women won't have the guts to accept the bitter reality of human biology

God, you really are not like other girls, are you

Wise straight women have always known about and tried to make peace with the beast as best we could.

"Right-wing women have surveyed the world: they find it a dangerous place. They see that work subjects them to more danger from more men; it increases the risk of sexual exploitation. They see that creativity and originality in their kind are ridiculed; they see women thrown out of the circle of male civilization for having ideas, plans, visions, ambitions. They see that traditional marriage means selling to one man, not hundreds: the better deal. They see that the streets are cold, and that the women on them are tired, sick, and bruised. They see that the money they can earn will not make them independent of men and that they will still have to play the sex games of their kind: at home and at work too. They see no way to make their bodies authentically their own and to survive in the world of men. They know too that the Left has nothing better to offer: leftist men also want wives and whores; leftist men value whores too much and wives too little. Right-wing women are not wrong." - Andrea Dworkin

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Yeah but now is 2021 women can study whatever they want, get high paying job enough to live independently of men. But women still choose the most clingy subjects such as sociology/psychology (it is interesting but everyone knows there are no job prospects after graduation), culture of other nations/literature/poetry/social work etc. And studying this shit in US is super retarded because you have to pay back student loans. You can do this shit in Europe where education is "free". Women are afraid of math or any math-based subject. They love people/helping people/serving people so this shit with empathy (working with people/serving people) is innate for most women.

[–]radfemvalhalla 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

women will never give up their "dominant daddy" fantasies

I did. You got through to me. For what? For this subreddit? No, so I could work to build the slim hope a distant future in which straight women will not have to choose between their sexuality and their dignity. Fuck you.

[–]lurkergirl 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Slim? Try non-existant.

[–]lurkergirl 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bonobos?