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[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Good point.

We all want prevent additional slave labor camp atrocities.

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

When (the Nazis) took power in 1933, they immediately used the (gun registration) records to disarm political enemies."[3]

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As for analogies between Nazi gun laws and today's gun control debates, Halbrook said: "The Nazis thought it was really important to disarm political enemies and Jews, but as far as contemporary comparisons, I’m very aware of how loosely people use these comparisons, and it does a disservice to the victims of the Holocaust."[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_in_the_Third_Reich_(book)

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

/u/Tom_Bombadil

Registration, if the Nazis did do this in mass, is much different than taken aways guns and imposing terror on civilians like the Bolsheviks did.

Read here about gun-control in Germany:

http://the-eye.eu/public/concen.org/Miscellanea_Judaica_%2311/PIERCE%28DrWilliam%29-Gun_Control_In_Germany_%281994%29.pdf

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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Numerous other provisions of the law relate to firearms manufacturers, importers, and dealers; to acquisition and carrying of firearms by police, military, and other official personnel; to the maximum fees which can be charged for permits (3 Reichsmark); to tourists bringing firearms into Germany; and to the fines and other penalties to be levied for violations.

The requirements of "trustworthiness" and of proof of need when obtaining a permit are troubling, but it should be noted that they were simply carried over from the 1928 law:

they were not formulated by the National Socialists. Under the National Socialists these requirements were interpreted liberally: a person who did not fall into one of the prohibited categories listed above was considered trustworthy, and a statement such as, "I often carry sums of money," was accepted as proof of need.

The prohibitions of spotlight-equipped rifles and hollow-point .22 caliber ammunition were based on considerations that the former were unsporting when used for hunting, and the latter were inhumane.

Now read the German firearms laws for yourself, either in the original German exactly as they were published by the German government in the Reichsgesetzblatt or in the complete English translations in the archives. If you want to skip over most of the legal gobbledygook and go directly to the most pertinent part of the National Socialist Firearms Law — the part pertaining to the purchase, ownership, and carrying of firearms by private citizens — turn to page 35 (Part IV of the Law).

Note, as already mentioned above, that two separate and distinct types of permits are referred to:

  • a Weapons Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), required only for purchasing a handgun; and a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein), required for carrying any firearm in public.

Interestingly enough, as also mentioned above, a hunting license could take the place of both these permits.

When you have read the two laws reproduced here, you will understand that it was Hitler's enemies, not Hitler, who should be compared with the gun-control advocates in America today. Then as now it was thus advocating communism or those leaning far left, many of whom were Jews and had sympathy for Sovietism. It was not the National Socialists, who wanted the people's right of self- defense restricted.

You will understand that those who continue to make the claim that Hitler was a gun-grabber are either ignorant or dishonest.

And you will understand that it was not until 1945, when the communist and democratic victors of the Second World War had installed occupation governments to rule over the conquered Germans that German citizens were finally and completely denied the right to armed self- defense.

/u/Tom_Bombadil

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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Five years later, in 1933, the National Socialists were in power, Hitler headed the government, and the communist threat was crushed decisively.

The National Socialists began undoing the social and economic damage done by their predecessors. Germany was restored to nearly full employment, degeneracy and corruption were rooted out, violent crime and suicides decreased exponentially and communists, many whom were so-called apostate Jews and their collaborators were removed from one facet of national life after another, and the German people entered a new era of national freedom, health, and prosperity. Even if it might have been clouded in propaganda and brainwashing.

Finally, in 1938, the National Socialist government got around to enacting a new firearms law to replace the one enacted by their opponents ten years earlier.

The highlights of the 1938 law, especially as it applied to ordinary citizens rather than manufacturers or dealers, follow:

  • Handguns may be purchased only on submission of a Weapons Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), which must be used within one year from the date of issue. Muzzle- loading handguns are exempted from the permit requirement.

[The 1928 law had required a permit for the purchase of long guns as well, but the National Socialists dropped this requirement.]

  • Holders of a permit to carry weapons (Waffenschein) or of a hunting license do not need a Weapons Acquisition Permit in order to acquire a handgun.

  • A hunting license authorizes its bearer to carry hunting weapons and handguns.

  • Firearms and ammunition, as well as swords and knives, may not be sold to minors under the age of 18 years.

[The age limit had been 20 years in the 1928 law.]

  • Whoever carries a firearm outside of his dwelling, his place of employment, his place of business, or his fenced property must have on his person a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein). A permit is not required, however, for carrying a firearm for use at a police-approved shooting range.

  • A permit to acquire a handgun or to carry firearms may only be issued to persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a permit. In particular, a permit may not be issued to:

1.) persons under the age of 18 years;

2.) legally incompetent or mentally retarded persons;

That can be see as a sweeping measure. Though the prior laws were even more stringent.

3.) Gypsies or vagabonds;

4.) persons under mandatory police supervision [i.e., on parole] or otherwise temporarily without civil rights;

5.) persons convicted of treason or high treason or known to be engaged in activities hostile to the state;

  1. persons who for assault, trespass, a breach of the peace, resistance to authority, a criminal offense or misdemeanor, or a hunting or fishing violation were legally sentenced to a term of imprisonment of more than two weeks, if three years have not passed since the term of imprisonment. Keep in mind this was in 1938, 5 years after Hitler came to power.
  • The manufacture, sale, carrying, possession, and import of the following are prohibited:

1.) "trick" firearms, designed so as to conceal their function (e.g., cane guns and belt-buckle pistols);

2.) any firearm equipped with a silencer and any rifle equipped with a spotlight;

3.) cartridges with .22 caliber, hollow-point bullets.

That is the essence. /u/Tom_Bombadil

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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So, /u/useless_aether you firstly claim, Hitler alone, when he obtained power took away all the guns. That's a lie, no going around that. That never occurred. Hitler eliminated and ameliorated gun control laws imposed in Weimar Germany for Germans. Later on, it was said registration was imposed on suspected Bolsheviks and communists, mostly Jews for paranoia of a revolution, in which case they were almost successful some 20 years ago in Germany.

Furthermore, gun registration on long guns and handguns was legislated in 1928, before Hitler came to power.

In the law, which revoked the past gun-control laws, guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; the period of validity of a permit to carry weapons was extended from one to three years; and provisions restricting the amount of ammunition or the number of firearms an individual could own were dropped).

Hitler's government may be criticized for leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in the law, but the National Socialists had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans from keeping or bearing arms.

Again, the firearm s law enacted by Hitler's government enhanced the rights of Germans to keep and bear arms; no new restrictions were added, and many pre-existing restrictions were relaxed or eliminated.

At the end of the Second World War, American GIs in the occupying force were astounded to discover how many German civilians owned private firearms. Tens of thousands of pistols looted from German homes by GIs were brought back to the United States after the war.

In 1945 General Eisenhower ordered all privately owned firearms in the American occupation zone of Germany confiscated, and Germans were required to hand in their shotguns and rifles as well as any handguns which had not already been stolen.

In the Soviet occupation zone German civilians were summarily shot if they were found in possession of even a single cartridge.

Jews, it should be noted, were not Germans, even if they had been born in Germany.

The National Socialists defined citizenship in ethnic terms, and under Hitler Jews were not accorded full rights of citizenship. National Socialist legislation progressively excluded Jews from key professions:

  • teaching;

  • the media;

  • the practice of law, etc.

The aim was not only to free ethnic German life from what they called oppressive Jewish influence, but to persuade Jews to emigrate. Which created the Israel we observe today.

The German Weapons Law of March 18, 1938, specifically excluded Jews from manufacturing or dealing in firearms or munitions, but it did not exclude them from owning or bearing personal firearms. The exclusion of Jews from the firearms business rankled them as much as any other exclusion, and in their typically ethnocentric fashion they have misrepresented the law involved as an anti-gun law in an effort to cast their enemies in a bad light.

So, it was not when Hitler obtained power and it was much later on that he imposed restrictive measures concerning firearms when it came to Jews. And even then there was not an outright ban and confiscation.

It should be noted in passing that the restrictions placed on Jews by the National Socialists had the intended effect: between 1933 and 1939 two-thirds of the Jews residing in Germany emigrated, reducing the Jewish population of the country from 600,000 when Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 to 200,000 at the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939.

The tendency of Germany's new rulers after the First World War was much the same as it is for the faux liberals in America today: they promoted cosmopolitanism, internationalism, and egalitarianism.

By 1923 economic conditions in Germany had become catastrophic, and there was much public unrest. The communists had made major inroads into the labor movement and were a growing threat to the country.

Hitler had indeed gone into politics, and his National Socialists battled the communists in the streets of Germany's cities and gradually came to be seen by many Germans in the working class and those who were farmers and quite poor and the middle class as the only force which could save Germany from a communist takeover and total ruin.

Hitler's National Socialists continued to win recruits and gain strength during the 1920s. The communists, with aid from the Soviet Union, also continued to grow. The political situation became increasingly unstable as the government lost popular support.

The government's response was to substantially tighten up restrictions on the rights of German citizens to keep and bear arms. The Law on Firearms and Ammunition of April 12, 1928, was the most substantial effort in this regard. This law was enacted by a left-center government hostile to the National Socialists (the government was headed by Chancellor Wilhelm Marx and consisted of a coalition of Socialists, including many Jews, and Catholic Centrists). /u/Tom_Bombadil