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HiddenFox 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 28 days ago

Want to make a joke about sustainability or environment vs practicality I don't know... it's hilarious though just on its own.

Just add 100k to the sticker price of every Ford EV to get the real cost, oh and something for a profit too maybe another 10k? There is your true cost! What a total scam of the century.

xoenix 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 28 days ago

We just spent billions on subsidies to build battery manufacturing plants in Ontario.

Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 27 days ago

I support that, it's important for national security not to be dependent on China for all our batteries.

YoMamma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 27 days ago

This is true, if one looks at a reliable source like Bloomberg, but it's not surprising after the UK, Germany, the US and other countries have refused in the past year or to honor their previous promises require EV or partial EV cars and other climate change restrictive measures, postponing their goals for another few years. This hit Ford and some other companies the hardest. Big Oil obviously still has a very strong grip on global markets, and they bankroll global warming denying (anti-science) websites like, climatedepot.com:

ClimateDepot.com is the website of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) employee Marc Morano, a conservative global warming denier who previously served as environmental communications director for a vocal political denier of climate change, Republican Sen. James Inhofe.

According to their about page “ClimateDepot.com, spearheaded by Morano, will serve as an information clearinghouse and one-stop shopping for reporters, policymakers, students, scientists and concerned citizens to get the latest information on global warming and other key environmental and energy issues.”

The Climate Depot is owned and published through CFACT, which is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that is mostly funded through the Donor’s Trust. The purpose of the Donor’s Trust Fund is to “safeguard the intent of libertarian and conservative donors.” In other words, it allows anti-climate change advocates to donate anonymously. In the past, CFACT received over $500,000 from Exxon-Mobil.

Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun 27 days ago

I'd be absolutely fucked with an electric car. I have nowhere to plug it in, I don't drive very much so instead of refilling my gas tank every 3 months I'll have to keep it charged on the daily, old vehicles would not be cost effective as they'd need expensive battery swaps...

It just doesn't make sense to force everyone over to EVs.

YoMamma 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun 27 days ago

In countries that are arranging EV and hybrid requirements, the plans are phased, so that public transport and taxis are first to go EV or hybrid, followed by vehicles that go into large cities with EV/hybrid laws that charge extra for 100% petrol cars, followed in 10 years with country-wide extra charges for 100% petrol cards. You'll likely have a new car in 10 years and will find hybrid and EV cars to be cheaper than new 100% petrol cars. That said, Big Oil especially in the US will fight this - as they've done - kicking the climate deadlines down the road. If for any reason Big Oil fails (doubtful), Texas and Alaska would likely make their own laws favoring 100% petrol vehicles in their states. But to be clear, there will be no national ban on 100% petrol vehicles. They'll just cost extra to operate. Consider for example the change over to unleaded fuel cars. When that happened, I put a lead substitute in my gas tank, a '58 Olds, which required a lead substitute.

SoCo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun 26 days ago

The failure of unrealistic, authoritarian forced change to EV...is being blamed on the companies who were crushed being forced to try....

https://influencemap.org/report/Automakers-and-Climate-Policy-Advocacy-A-Global-Analysis-27906