I feel like my dog died. My dog named DNC. I am more disgusted by the idea of voting Republican than I thought I'd be.

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[–]MuskyIndependent[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The "red wave" failed to materialize anyways. I think they would change if not changing made them unelectable, but we won't know now.

The left has long had a problem with vicious infighting. The committed Bolsheviks who murdered their way through Russians, Christians, and anyone else who stood in their way were sent to the gulags that they created. For being falsely accused of the same crimes they falsely accused Russians and Christians of.

That is a scary thought.

[–]Alphix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You mean... You think the whole thing isn't rigged???

[–]MuskyIndependent[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't see how it could be entirely rigged. I cast a physical ballot here in Texas for the first time in decades. I believe other states took measures to ensure integrity of the process as well, particularly the red strongholds.

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's little concrete evidence to show overt and widespread fraud in US elections, there's enough money involved and enough people watching it closely that any overt attempts to do something illegal will be noticed and acted on quickly.

That said you can rest assured that with so much money and time being invested into elections our can be all but certain both parties will use whatever means are at their disposal to influence elections coming right to up skirting the boundaries of what is and is not fair, even if it's not technically illegal.

So to say the process is rigged really depends on what you mean by that. The system itself is and is always going to be far from perfect, and it's "rigged" in favor of who can fund the most campaign advertising to convince voters. But that's not the same thing as throwing out votes they don't like.

That sort of election fraud does happen in every election but it's almost always individual actors doing shit like throwing away mail in ballots like that one mailman did, granted that sort of thing often gets caught and it's treated quite harshly.

There's always some sketchy stuff going around at the fringes, during the Obama election there were dudes larping as black panther types at some polling stations with guns intimidating people but there's basically nothing to suggest it was a widespread top down decision and it's effect on the election results wouldn't have made a difference in the end.

It won't stop people from making the accusations of fraud however, which frankly I think is overall a good thing since it means it's just that much harder to get away with actual fraud, unfortunately in the highly polarized media environment we enjoy it doesn't really matter if there's fraud or not, most people are going to believe what they want to believe about it and you'll always have some small vocal minority that thinks their candidate got shafted.

Republicans did it in 2020. Dems did it in 2016. Republicans did it in 2008. Dems did it in 2000. Been going on forever. Nothing new except everyone has a camera in their pocket now and the ability to share to a wider audience making this stuff get more public awareness.