Where are all the conservative socialists in the West?

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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

People who use unemployment temporarily to get back on thier feet do not support socialis. Social safety nets are not socialism. The problem with those is leaches always want more. We already have too many welfare programs and people take far more than thier share and squander it on frivolous shit.

A lot of people simply refuse to work, collect benefits multiple times, spend it on drugs, and despise all the "stupid" people working hard and being forced to support them.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

If a welfare program is being exploited by those who don't need it it is a badly designed welfare program. That should have been accounted for before its implementation. A good example of a safeguard would be giving out food instead of hard cash. Or giving a card that can only be used to buy particular products.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Let's fix the programs we have, then people will be more likely to accept new programs.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What programs do you have that you don't like?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Free cell phones and internet.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why? Since internet is something everyone uses it should be a free service. Obviously you should put a cap on how much someone should be able to use for free a month like 30GB or so, but everyone should be able to freely access it.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because it's not free, tax payers are paying for it. And it is a distraction not a tool they use to better themselves.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"tax payers are paying for it" Good. If they have the money to spare they should pay their taxes which could be used to help the needy.

"And it is a distraction not a tool they use to better themselves." Another conspiracy theory? You are using it right now.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Look up what conspiracy means because you aren't using it right.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The term isn't "conspiracy", the term is "conspiracy theory".

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's more of a problem with the American mentality of ultra materialism and extreme self-entitlement than a problem of systems.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What you write is only true in the USA. Even here in the relatively close culture of Canada, people go on unemployment, or even sometimes welfare, but FEEL A NEED TO BE A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER OF SOCIETY. You don't have that in the USA. It's all about money and self-entitlement. But that is completely unique to the USA. So your narrow view that such a system doesn't work is founded on the idea that the American way is somehow universal. It really is not.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's agree then that it would never work in the US.