2009 Icelandic "Pots and Pans Revolution" — Iceland got a new constitution and a new government after the 2009 financial crisis, and all they had to do was clog up the capital streets for 2 months with thousands of people banging pots and pans as loud as they could

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[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

To me, this is one of the most inspiring revolutions of our modern time. This is a great blueprint for every country around the world. The military-industrial complex is going to continually push things toward civil war so they can remain in power, but a revolution like the Icelandic pots and pans revolution cannot be subverted in this way.

Clogging up the streets for prolonged periods of time costs billionaires a lot of money, assuming the right streets are clogged. Then they will do anything to end it.

This is the perfect technique, if only enough people were to take it seriously, we could fix any government to better represent the people, instead of being led around by this government that has been largely hijacked by billionaires and corporations.

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Heck yeah. We're lucky to have such a modern example of successful revolution. I imagine that these folks had their game plan/list of demands figured out a lot better than the Occupy Wall St folks too. I guess our perfect timing for this would have been before the Wall St bailout, maybe be need a singular crisis to set things in motion.

[–]Mnemonic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I does help that Iceland only has +- 350.000 people living there and they already cover the most habitual zones. (Sure a corporation/billionaire could build a complex in the middle of nowhere, but it would be exactly that, in the middle of nowhere where even private-jets/helicopters have difficulty. They are 'stuck' between the people.)

But I agree that on a local level this is inspiring, for the USA one should think about (parts of) a city.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So what, it's just a matter of % of population, not raw numbers. If we had the same % of our population in the streets, it'd work out the same way.

[–]Mnemonic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree on the % point in theory, but my point was more.. ehm:

  • Infrastructure of the country: iceland being like alaska compared to the rest of the USA. Even in mainland Europe you can take a car drive and be in another country/far away. Routes can be diverted (sure it costs some money, but it doesn't turn profit into losing {except for the medium/small business owners} but as one of riches, you can 'get away' easily).

  • The population compared to the habitat-zones: compared to The Netherlands (+- 45 times as big, even more) Iceland in a whole is just one city divided by nature/mountains. Let lose the (Kevin)Bacon-number and really everyone knows everyone. So the social pressure is way higher.

Well I'm not sure if I can express it in words good enough but the situation is very different. Not to mention the culture: The protest and how they went down and how the down taking was perceived... The USA doesn't get rilled up when someone is basically public executed, How the icelandic people responded the the take-down of the protests (basically with fluffy gloves compared to USA take-downs) is just... Not outrage but 'people made up their minds' and they (they as in northern/Scandinavian people) are reserved but explicit...

Hmm, like if You did something wrong in a town and get to the bar, you won't get beaten up but ignored by everyone and when someone does talk to you that's your only hook to get into the communities grace. It's not about being very public as soon as possible, the person you talk to asks how you are and what you think about the situation, then (if all goes well and you are not to egocentric etc.) they come back (possibly with more people) and you explain and say where you were wrong, were you were right and a 'meeting' is held and the ritual continues or you are semi-accepted back and you have to prove yourself onward.

While IMHO and I've never been in the USA and sure some towns act the same but it seems this sort of community justice is lost in drugs/money/whatever 'wars' going on in at least the cities in the USA. And all the rethoric I've seen (nazi and antifa to sum it up, a bit more diverse) is about some grand WAR and not about local issues.

As great as the Internet is (hey, I didn't make cough /s/Internet for no reason) as it's a great way to share information/ideas. It's not a replacement for local interaction and to be frank/edgy: from what I get (not saying from here, tbqh mahfamalam I'm proud to be a member of this community as to how conversations are going, like really, really really like it) from my 'sources' the 'NET' landscape of the USA is so divided/warlike it's going to be hard to:

INHALES

STOP TALKING ABOUT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS!

Take care of things locally, locally like Iceland (the Utopia example of local governance). Like there's where I FULLY agree with you, it's possible, but locally, try to fix it for your 350.000 people radius.

Okay, this turned out to be a rant, but my main message would be:

Yeah, I agree,

But locally!

(Hah, yeah, it rhymes, but that's not as funny as the Necro-pants from Iceland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A1br%C3%B3k)

EDIT: also, not to stick a feather up my own ass, but these kind of responses would make it worth, for me, to click the 'recieve replies'-link. First of course Your (personally) interaction and second my reaction(that's my selfish fantasy) OT AF {and yeah, I do ponder if the semi-AI of accessibility-access can translate that good enough and if those abbreviations will ever be context dependend if they are not already RN)

EDIT2 : (plz message/DM if I went too far)