Abortionist Who Said She Cuts Baby Vocal Chords Before Abortion So They Can't Scream Loses Medical License

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[–]alkhd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

She said fetuses can't scream , not babies, babies definitely can and do scream. Stop misquoting and spreading fake news.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Then why would she even mention that she "cuts the cord first so there's really no opportunity"? She could've just ended it with "fetuses can't scream" why did she feel the need to explicitly mention the fact that she cuts "the cord"?

[–]alkhd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

There's no opportunity to scream (even if they hypothetically had lungs and a larynx) because the fetus dies in the womb as opposed to dying in the process of being removed from the womb.

You don't have to transect the umbilical cord before removing the fetus from the womb, it's optional, transecting the cord lets the fetus die in a probably relatively nicer way and reduces chances for complications during the extraction from the womb. Without transecting the cord first you're basically forcing a stillbirth.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Alright, lets look at her tweet logically.

I transect the cord 1st so there's really no oppurtunity, if they're even far enough along to have a larynx

Now lets divide it up

I transect the cord 1st(a)
so there's really no oppurtunity(b)
if they're even far enough along to have a larynx(c)

(a) implies that she transects "the cord"
(b) says that there is "no oppurtunity"(in this context, she is referring to screaming because of the tweet she was replying to)
(c) continues the statement (b) with ...if they're far enough along.
Lets take a look at (b)

so there's really no oppurtunity

This (b) depends on (a)
So, if we turn (a) into negative, i.e. if she doesn't transect the cord, she implies that there is some oppurtunity that the baby will scream if (c) is true.

[–]alkhd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I feel like I've explained it too many times. If you still don't understand it I hope that the fact that it's not even possible to transect the vocal cord combined with the fact that the person in question clarified that she meant the umbilical cord is enough.

Since they die in the womb if you do an umbilical transection, there's no opportunity for them to scream, even in a hypothetical world where fetuses were able to scream.

Nobody ever said "oh I can see the vocal cord" during birth. In order to reach the vocal cord you would need cut open whoever is pregnant. I seriously don't understand how this fact doesn't stop you believing that she meant the vocal cord. The only way to prevent a fetus to scream if it could scream is by having it die in the womb, before trying to extract it,which is what transcecting the umbilical cord achieves.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You haven't refuted the central point of my reply. You are just repeating old arguments. First refute the new argument I have provided.(Using logic)

[–]alkhd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I give up, you are either trolling or you are detached from reality.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I give up, you are either trolling or you are detached from reality.

I analysed the wording of her tweet and interpreted it logically. You are now avoiding the central point, and, you are also making claims irrelevant to the current topic.

[–]alkhd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

As I've said I think three times now.

(a) Transecting the umbilical cord kills the fetus. (b) Dead things cannot scream. (c) After the fetus is dead the abortion process begins. As it is dead it cannot scream even if a larynx has been developed.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24034582/

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I get where you're coming from but I am not talking about that. I am talking explicitly about how the wording of her tweet implies something that contradicts your statement.

Edit: Even if she clarified what she was referring to, and even if you take that into context, one statement still remains contradicted.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ad fucking nauseum