George Floyd Body cam Video Shows he was saying "I can't Breath" way before being put on the Ground.

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[–]quickbeam 21 insightful - 3 fun21 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 3 fun -  (62 children)

Is it considered good policing practice to put people who are already telling you they can't breathe onto the ground and putting them in a chokehold for over 8 minutes past the point when they have appeared to lose consciousness? Is that better, somehow?

[–]scrubking[S] 27 insightful - 7 fun27 insightful - 6 fun28 insightful - 7 fun -  (61 children)

It is good policing practice to subdue scumbags who are lying to not get put in the squad car and taken to jail. They gave him every opportunity and he would not stop resisting arrest. I used to blame the cop at first, but now no way. The cop is innocent of all charges.

[–]quickbeam 11 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 3 fun -  (60 children)

There is no justifiable reason for a police officer to murder an unarmed person. None. They managed to bring in almost every white mass shooter no problem, so they can bring in some random guy who wrote a forged check or they are incompetent at best, cruel and murderous at worst.

[–]Carnate 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (59 children)

Police shot and killed twice as many whites as blacks last year.

[–]Tarsius 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (56 children)

Why is that any better? Why is it ok that the police kill so many people at all, regardless of skin color? As I see it, the deal we (the people) are having with the state is, that we give it the monopoly on violence in exchange for getting justice without the need for personal revenge. This seems to generally make society a lot less violent, but in the US you have the state pretty much breaking this deal, by being unjustly violent itself. Riots are only the logical conclusion to this and I am wondering why 'all lives matter' isn't on the side of the rioters. Police defunding looks like a bad idea from my perspective, because as I mentioned above, mending the deal would likely make society far less violent, than breaking it completely. Nevertheless it is only logical that people want to do that because they have lost their trust in the police.

[–]justjoggin 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (50 children)

Why is it ok that the police kill so many people at all,

Straw man. Why is ok that doctors kill 200,000?

This whole thing is a pretend issue. Police are part of living in a civilized society. No other races are collectively complaining. Blacks just don’t fit in. It’s not complicated. That’s why they’re getting booted out of China too.

wondering why 'all lives matter' isn't on the side of the rioters.

You could start with 1350, then move to 1390. They simply don’t fit in.

[–]FediNetizen 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (26 children)

No other races are collectively complaining. Blacks just don’t fit in. It’s not complicated

This is saidit for you I guess.

[–]quickbeam 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

I'm going to keep coming on here and debating because as more people leave reddit we can probably make saidit a more representative forum without this dominance of white supremacist views.

[–]FediNetizen 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

I agree. Just engage with them and don't let this shit drive normal people away.

Though you'll be met with a lot of resistance. I already had one dude get so upset he made a subreddit about what a "race-traitor Marxist cuck" I am. Amusingly, he also spelled my name wrong.

[–]NaughtyUnicorn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Just engage with them and don't let this shit drive normal people away

There's nothing normal about people who riot because they want the cops to leave criminals alone. You guys think you have the moral high ground, but the truth is most of the people in this country don't agree with you. The silent majority is being censored by places like Reddit.

[–]Dragonerne 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

You're going to have actual arguments then

[–]quickbeam 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I think we'll be okay, but thanks for the concern. :)

[–]Velocity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Supremacists", ok boomer. Those slurs don't have the affect you think they do.

[–]justjoggin 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Meaning accurate? You stopped short of articulating something meaningful here.

[–]monkeytitz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any response to his first sentence?

[–]lordNikon 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Policing techniques wildly vary from one country to another, even between states. US police are viewed as 'brutal' (but the States always gets put on trial, comes with the territory)

This is an opportunity to reform policing standards, policies, oversight, judgement in the event of misconduct, etc. If you don't take the opportunity now the situation will most likely repeat itself. Looking at the whole situation, large change is needed but it needn't be negative.

Polishing up a taxpayer service is surely a good thing don't you think?

Blacks don't fit in

I find no weight behind this statement. So many in our society are seamlessly integrated so therefore productive and engaged.

[–]justjoggin 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Police are a non issue in America. Again no groups are complaining except blacks and those in their behalf. They don’t work in the first world. 1350 and 1390 say all that needs to be said.

So many in our society are seamlessly integrated so therefore productive and engaged.

If whites were 13 percent of the population in Nigeria committing 50 percent of the murders consuming a massively disproportionate share of the welfare I’m sure “productive and engaged” would be how you describe them.

[–]lordNikon 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's a fantastic non-answer. Seamless integration means I had to really think about it to pick them out, so if it sounds like an odd descript that's because it is difficult to think of them outside of the societal whole. I know a lot that are kick ass engineers, real assets; they're going nowhere. Intensely need their expertise. I'm not stuck in the USA though, your problems are... Culturally specific.

I see a huge demographic mixture of American Citizens advocating for reforms on vast aspects of the policing system. You might not want to see that. I can't make you.

You got a basis for the White Supreme Number Cream statistics?

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i see a huge demographic mixture of American Citizens advocating for reforms on vast aspects of the policing system. You might not want to see that.

There was also a huge number of people who believed there were “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq. Are you not familiar with how propaganda works? There are no numbers supporting this disproportionate “police on black murders” idea (which has now quietly been downgraded to “police brutality,” conveniently making it even harder to verify.)

know a lot that are kick ass engineers

So.

What part of “Blacks are 13% of the population, but commit 50% of the murders” confuses you? Does your own family member have to become a victim for you to appreciate that this isn’t a good deal?

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

If you don't take the opportunity now the situation will most likely repeat itself. Looking at the whole situation, large change is needed but it needn't be negative.

Yes, kick them back to Africa and you'll have a better economy and less crime. This is what can be done if we take the opportunity now to make sure the situation does not repeat itself.

I find no weight behind this statement. So many in our society are seamlessly integrated so therefore productive and engaged.

Blacks are an economic negative for the US.

[–]lordNikon 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Kick them back to Africa

I mean, you kinda imported them once, so it's your problem now. I have a feeling that deportation is unlikely but you can burn your hopes on that fire of you need to.

An economic negative in one country where there are skewed prospects based upon skin tone is the result of some really loopy ideals over time. No one is going anywhere without a full blown civil war that would be nice and bloody, you're better off educating people and bringing them into economic positivity for all. It's an untapped resource! You're capitalists; so capitalise ffs!

Look, I'm just saying you're not going to get what you want without half the country burning down so work with it or remain a keyboard warrior.

No disrespect. (This website is actually refreshing discussion after the one sided nature of Reddit)!

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I mean, you kinda imported them once, so it's your problem now.

"kinda imported" = "forcefully enslaved them and brought them over on slaveships" I like your language but what we did forcefully back then can be undone forcefully today.

I have a feeling that deportation is unlikely

You start small. Create a unit to send a few back, just a few. Then you slowly expand that unit. It's the "Slippery slope" applied to politics.

An economic negative in one country where there are skewed prospects based upon skin tone is the result of some really loopy ideals over time. No one is going anywhere without a full blown civil war that would be nice and bloody, you're better off educating people and bringing them into economic positivity for all. It's an untapped resource! You're capitalists; so capitalise ffs!

No, it will never work. They have low IQ and they want our blood. Seperation is the best solution.

Look, I'm just saying you're not going to get what you want without half the country burning down so work with it or remain a keyboard warrior.

No, we just need to start small and slowly expand. No one is going to burn the country down just because we send back say 100 criminal blacks. Then next year it can be 500 and so on. After 50 years things can be truly great.

[–]NaughtyUnicorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not just blacks, cops kill white thugs too, but who cares. I love how the whole world is trying to protect criminals. If you don't want to be killed by a cop don't be a law breaking asshole.

[–]Tarsius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

My explanation for these positions was in the second part of the comment, which you ignored. I also pretty much said that the police is important to keep violence in check.

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don’t see that. But I do see you trying to legitimize a narrative, for which there is no numeric basis, that is being used to excuse blacks’ inability to cut it in a first world country. Again, no other races are collectively complaining.

By focusing on blacks as victims instead of as perps, you’re aiding and abetting black crime, which is actually based in reality.

[–]Tarsius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You seem pretty obsessed with making this about race while I am talking about police violence in general which is comparatively really high in the US regardless of the victims skin color.

[–]justjoggin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You were the one “wondering why.” I kindly answered that for you. Now you don’t have to wonder, and you too can be obsessed about the fact that black people, who are only 13% of the population, commit 50% of the murders.

Is it more productive fixing the issue that has a minuscule number of people dying or the one that has an enormous number of people dying?

[–]NaughtyUnicorn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Why is it ok that the police kill so many people at all, regardless of skin color?

I have no problem with the police killing people who are trying to harm them, and in almost all of the cases where a suspect is killed it's because they were putting the officers in danger. There may have been a few accidents where the officers may have made poor choices, but I don't think that really happens enough to be making this big of a deal out of it. In those rare cases the families should sue and the officers should be punished, but riots? Come on man.

[–]Tarsius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Idk here in Germany police killed 17 (14 shot and 3 through other means) people in 2019 while they seem to have killed 1099 (Edit: I think 604 shot and 495 other means, I had seemingly slightly conflicting data here) in the US. Something seems to be very wrong there. I don't know what it is, maybe your police doesn't try to de-escalate or americans are generally more dangerous or something in between but either way I can kind of understand people getting really upset about that, especially since very few police officers seem to ever go to jail because they killed someone.

[–]Velocity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's an ethnic component in the US which you're not considering that pushes crime rates higher.

[–]Tarsius 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How do you explain that the police are also killing a lot of white people in the US?

[–]Velocity 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

in the US. Something seems to be very wrong there. I don't know what it is, maybe your police doesn't try to de-escalate or americans are generally more dangerous

Yeah, a lot of whites are killed which falls in line being the majority of the population. Though disproportionately per capita, blacks engage in more violent crime and more likely than Whites or Hispanics to use a gun during that crime. Black males of crime age are 6% or less of the black population and they commit around 50% of crime.

[–]quickbeam 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Hope you'll join us in protesting police brutality then! I don't support police killing unarmed civilians.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Police shot and killed twice as many whites as blacks last year.

What rebuttal are you trying to make? The US has over 6 times as many white people as black people. It sounds like your statistic is arguing against you.