What if the lockdown was a big mistake?

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[–]MostlySunnySkies 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The problems of today could be solved by doing what the government did in the past- NOTHING.

Yeah. That's how you end up with the number of dead people we had during the Spanish Flu - more than WWI which is ran concurrent to.

The simple fact of the matter is just too unconspiratorial for most people on this forum. A previously unknown corona virus with a mortality rate which appears from the available data to be between 5 and 14% for which we have neither a proven treatment nor a vaccine means if we don't want to risk millions and millions dead, we need to enact the 1,000 year old effective technique of social distancing and we need to do that until we have some real evidence that we've achieved some sort of herd immunity (which acts in the same way as social distancing) or it is not as deadly as was feared.

All governments did the same thing not because of some conspiracy, but because it was the prudent and responsible thing to do.

[–]astronautrob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Love these numbers people throw out. 5-14% mortality rate? Where are you getting these numbers? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

Are we just making up mortality rates to fit the narrative at this point? Even the worst hit countries, like Italy, don't have a mortality rate at 14%. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1106372/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-group-italy/

And again look at the age break down. Yes the mortality rate is high but not till you get to a specific age group. Have you been reading the most recent data coming from Italy. 99%, I repeat, 99% of people who have died in Italy due to Coronas had prior medical conditions. I think something like 50% had three or more conditions.

People who compare this to the Spanish flu are being disingenuous. It's not the same. The Spanish flu was killing mostly people between ages of 20-40. Healthy young adults would get sick and die within 24-48 hours. This is not the same as what we are seeing right? At least you can agree with that fact. Your whole comment is laced with inflammatory and disingenuous statements that you back up with no sources. It was just a waste of your time to write all that jibberish. Turn off the TV my friend.

[–]MostlySunnySkies 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

From https://www.statista.com/statistics/1106372/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-group-italy/

which is the very page you cite:

Overall, the mortality rate of coronavirus in Italy reached 12.9 percent,

which is not 14% but earlier had been estimated and reported at 14%. I am not making anything up. This page is very recent, today, so the number is being revised daily but the relevant fact is this is two orders of magnitude or 100 times the normal death rate from the flu:

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

I have to do this on a regular basis in every thread about the cornoa virus. The death rates you're saying I am wrong about are to be found on the very website you claim disproves me.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

USA confirmed cases : 1,013,508

USA confirmed deaths: 57,049

Spain confirmed cases: 232,128
Spain confirmed deaths:23,822

Italy confirmed cases: 201,505

Italy confirmed deaths: 27,359

Dividing the second of these by the first gets you the death rate for confirmed cases. Those number are:

USA 0.056 or 5.56%

Spain 0.1026 or 10%

Italy 0.13577 or 13.6%

Numbers you claim don't exist.

[–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The point remains that to compare it to the Spanish flu is disingenuous. We know Coronavirus deaths are not being reported accurately. We also know that the mortality Tate will definitely come down as more people get the virus and recover. These numbers are dramatic. If you take out people over 60 the mortality rate in all these countries are far below 5%. You're saying this is every thread because youre making the numbers fit your narrative. You used the mortality rate to justify comparing this to Spanish flu, that is disingenuous. The age discrepancy matters, you can't just discount that fact to make it seem like this is a more deadly virus than it really is. Again turn off the TV and my friend.

Also loved how you cherry picked countries to fit your narrative. What about Russia, turkey, Germany, etc., Mortality rate. Not anywhere near these numbers.