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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But the ancient Egyptians, at least the nobility, were white.

They weren't black no, but they certainly weren't white europeans, they seem to have had Levant middle eastern genetics

https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Nope. They were blue eyed and blonde or red haired. WHITE. Nature is just narrative pseudo anthropology.

Here are facts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh3y4FydRNU

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nope. They were blue eyed and blonde or red haired. WHITE.

Yes to the blue-eyes and blond hair, but even your sources say these are Levantine Middle Easterners, they may have the mutations for blond hair and blue eyes, but these people are genetically distinct from white Europeans with the genetic distance closest to brown Middle Easterners, not white Europeans. I guess this depends on how we are defining 'whiteness', how are you defining this quality? As possessing light skin/hair/eye mutations, European ancestry, traceability to the Steppe herders, or some other classification methodology? The whole idea of whiteness seems slightly ambiguous when people are using many definitions for what this means, I usually assume people are referring to genetic 'Europeaness', hence my assertion of non-whiteness, but I'm willing to accept a different definition

Nature is just narrative pseudo anthropology.

Your video of facts cited this paper as well to cite the Egyptians having Levantine DNA, in addition to one showing Levantine Israelis had blond hair/blue eye mutations. Its sort of central to the argument you are making, idk how you can dismiss this paper as pseudo-anything when your argument depends on this paper as well.

This "whitifying" of Levantine Israelis would also make Jews 'white', are you comfortable with this? I'd find it surprising if you were, given your fondness for whites and dislike of Jews

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The 12 (or 13) tribes of Israel include the Aryan nordic genes, as well as the black africans. That doesn't make them "jews" who co-opted the word "Israel" in order to appropriate all these lineages. There is a lot of confusion about these terms, making definitions very muddled.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There is a lot of confusion about these terms, making definitions very muddled.

Lol, can agree with you on this

The 12 (or 13) tribes of Israel include the Aryan nordic genes,

Do you have any studies handy on this? I'm curious as to the origin. Are we talking Steppe herders, Scandinavian Hunter Gatherer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer) or some different group containing similar genes? From what I can gather the modern Jews appear to all share ancient light-skinned Iranian DNA (Persians can also be quite light, not sure if this is related), with the Ashkenazi's, Sephardic, and Mizrahi differing by which populations they mixed with

I do find genealogy to be quite fascinating, if you have any relevant info on the topic to refer me to i'd happily read it

[–]Alphix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The Old Testament itself defines the tribes of Israel in such terms. The Jews appropriated that too, pretending that this book is about them, whereas barely 5% of the people mentioned in there can by any stretch of the imagination be considered to be Jews.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Jews appropriated that too, pretending that this book is about them, whereas barely 5% of the people mentioned in there can by any stretch of the imagination be considered to be Jews.

Agree that its extremely unlikely all those people were Jews

The Old Testament itself defines the tribes of Israel in such terms.

Explicitly as nordic? Or as light-skinned and blue-eyed? Is there any other evidence that helps lend credence to this idea, or is supportive of this being a possibility? I'm not that familiar with this particular theory, or the origins of the 12 Israel tribes specifically, though I'm certainly interested in any theories of this sort