Blackpill content is a form of psychological warfare and rightists should be extremely wary of it.

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[–]Ponderer[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Let me break this down.

to create awareness about the need for action.

This awareness already exists. The dissident right has existed in its current form for at least half a decade, possibly longer. I'd be extremely surprised if anyone on this sub is new to these ideas or needs additional motivation that they are correct.

Is there really anyone here who is unsure that we're in a bad situation that we need to get out of? If so, why?

generate thought about solutions

Thought about potential solutions would be excellent. Unfortunately this thought is in very short supply, and blackpill posts don't seem to have anything to do with practical solutions. If anything they're mutually exclusive - blackpill posts discourage action, dampen enthusiasm, and increase fear.

Take a quick scan of the frontpage of this sub, and note how many posts discuss problems, versus how many suggest solutions or even actions of any kind. Posts about problems completely overwhelm posts about solutions.

saying "whites are too stupid about race to save their race" raises awareness and helps direct people towards tackling it.

I don't understand. A statement like that is clearly fatalistic and discourages any sort of productive action.

If you take that statement at face value, there is no point in encouraging whites to do anything. If you assert that white people are just idiots and cannot be saved, then where can you possibly go from there? What solution can be proposed?

How is a statement like that anything other than demoralizing and demotivating?

Of course some people might give up when failure or problems are admitted but such people aren't going to be effective anyway.

If a community does nothing but talk about their failures and problems, it would be enough to make anyone break over a long enough period of time.

Imagine telling someone "you're going to fail and die" over and over, multiple times a day. For the first few days or weeks they might be motivated to resist. But after hearing this for months or even years, they will eventually succumb and start to agree - "I guess you're right, I will fail and die."

Why do you see that as a good thing to do?

I don't believe false optimism is usually beneficial.

Being realistic is important. Hyperfocusing on the negatives is not realistic.

If you are dedicated to the cause why would you take your ball and go home just because there is not much hope?

Why is trying to drill hopelessness into people who agree with you the goal?

there is no giving up, because a world where the altright loses is a hellscape.

If you work overtime 24/7 to convince people that winning is impossible, and expose them to only the most negative news, then eventually they will believe you and give up by default. If they believe hellscape is inevitable no matter what they do, why bother working to prevent it? Why wouldn't they turn their backs on you and enjoy what time they have?

This makes no sense at all. Again, look at my analogy of wartime propaganda. Every country that has ever put up a fight has used rousing slogans like "We don't stand alone", "God is with us", "We can do it!"

I have never seen a country using a motto like "Our people are stupid and we can't be saved." Why would that work at all?

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

This awareness already exists.

The altright does not realize most of the problem is whites. The altright has often thought they were about to win no matter how bad things got. I advocate being realistic.

blackpill posts discourage action, dampen enthusiasm, and increase fear.

There's a reason successful political campaigns are based on fear, it motivates people to vote. It doesn't dampen their enthusiasm.

How can you address white stupidity about race without stating it? The start of change is the articulation of problems.

If you assert that white people are just idiots and cannot be saved, then where can you possibly go from there? What solution can be proposed?

I expect the altright to work hard at waking whites, not give up and say "Nothing can be done about white stupidity."

trying to drill hopelessness into people

Many things in life are impossible or near-impossible. White genocide is somewhat hopeless but not impossible if many people work hard to wake whites. But that brings up another blackpill: the altright won't do the necessary hard work of waking whites. A few leaders can't do the heavy lifting.

Hyperfocusing on the negatives is not realistic.

I don't advocate for hyperfocusing on the negatives. I never said work 24/7 to convince people that winning is impossible.

Every country that has ever put up a fight has used rousing slogans like "We don't stand alone", "God is with us", "We can do it!"

There has never been a war where the army thought they themselves are the enemy, as whites now think of themselves. What if in the war on ISIS the US army attacked itself, claiming that was the highest moral good, and then attacked you if you tried to convince them of their fault? That would be a problem of stupidity and treachery. Yet that is what whites are doing to themselves. Such a problem would have to be articulated in order to be solved.

I experience many white people giving resistance to white nationalism every day. They will insult, threaten, deplatform, get you fired from your job, etc. in order for the white race to die. There is case to be made that whites deserve most of the blame for this anti-whiteism.

[–]Ponderer[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's a reason successful political campaigns are based on fear, it motivates people to vote.

There is a difference between "If our enemy wins, we're in trouble! Fortunately we're not done for yet. Here's how we can win instead." and "We're going to lose. We're fucked. It's over."

If you defend the latter, I don't know how to even respond to you.

How much more afraid do you expect people to get? Once they are terminally afraid, cowering under their beds and cringing at every sound, do you expect them to become effective activists?

A little fear can motivate people, but only fear of inaction and only combined with the hope and potential of a workable solution. Doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on fear and providing no alternative is braindead.

[Stopping] White genocide is somewhat hopeless but not impossible if many people work hard to wake whites.

Then you should be saying "Our cause is not impossible if we work hard!" Not "our situation is hopeless" even if it's just "somewhat" hopeless.

But that brings up another blackpill: the altright won't do the necessary hard work of waking whites.

Why do you get off on blackpilling? What is the point of making final, decisive statements like this against the same movement you claim to support?

Such a problem would have to be articulated in order to be solved.

There is a huge difference between articulating a rational position and blackpilling.

Blackpilling is indefensible by definition. It's defeatism. Even if it sometimes deals with accurate information, it frames that information in such a way as to increase hopelessness.

Imagine you're stuck in a burning building with another man. You suggest using a fire extinguisher to put it out, but he says "oh, there's too much fire already, it would never work." You suggest calling the fire brigade, but he says "they'd take too long to get here." You suggest running out through the front door, but he says "there's flames in the way, we'd just burn to death." You suggest jumping out a window, but he says "it's too high, we'd break our bones and die."

Is this man "being realistic"? Of course not. At best he's delusionally depressed, at worst he's a snake who wants you to burn to death.

I'm not even against the rational position you take. There are many white people who hate themselves. But there's only two ways to respond to that: either we can convince them to stop hating themselves, or we ignore them and focus on helping others.

If you want to raise awareness about that, all it takes is a single post. State your position clearly and logically and ask what the next steps are. There is zero need to post over and over for months and years about the latest atrocity caused by woke whites without ever proposing solutions.

[–]peaceful✞ 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've posted a lot that the solution is to wake whites, for many people to distribute propaganda massively. I haven't seen a lot of people do it and I know it takes determination and hard work to try to wake up hundreds of millions of whites. I don't think the altright will do it. It's necessary to say we are on the path to defeat on order to right our course. I agree defeatism is bad, but realism is necessary. You are misinterpreting some of my positions. I don't say there's no chance for victory or that nothing should be done. I believe the altright has to create hope for there to be hope.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've posted a lot that the solution is to wake whites

I just went through 16 days of your post history and didn't really see you explain that at all. When it was mentioned it was very offhand. Maybe you should make a post outlining solutions and it might also be a good idea to list out things about whites that you are passionate about.