Can someone please explain this to me: Why is the left so desperate to get Trump out of office?

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[–]justjoggin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Interesting.

Trump is not far right

This is to the dismay of many of his voters. So what far-right ideas do you disagree with?

[–]SeasideLimbs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So what far-right ideas do you disagree with?

  • There being a jewish conspiracy. (Though I do agree that it's noteworthy how much money and power is in the hands of a group of only 14 million people.)

  • Pro-life. (Though I do think there clearly needs to be a reasonable cutoff after which abortions are illegal.)

  • Gun rights. (I'm for stricter ones and some weapons legal right now to be made illegal. That said, the recent riots have proven that some amount of protection is reasonable. Pistols should be okay.)

  • Partial disagreement: Reverting back to a religious society. (Though I do think that some amount of religion is good for a society and that christianity was of incredible importance for the development of western society.)

  • Being against gay rights and acceptance. (Though I am also against stuff like highly sexualized pride parades and children being force-fed stuff about it in school.)

  • Complete rejection of welfare, free education, etc. (Though too much of it leads to a lazy, unproductive society. A balanced approach would be necessary.)

  • The crazier conspiracies: pizzagate, Qanon, school shootings being faked.

  • Blind faith in a free market. There is no reason capitalism would be the one and only concept humanity ever came up with that is somehow flawless and perfect. A free market regulating itself still means that there will be periods of misery, tragedy and horror. (That said, capitalism is still the best economic system we have and works well when regulated in a smart and sparse way. Only as much regulation as necessary, no more.)

If we went into detail, I could come up with a million things I disagree with regarding the right. Mentalities about topics like art, for example. But the ones I listed should be most of the big ones.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You're unfortunately conflating right wing ideas with conservatism. We don't support free market capitalism, no welfare state, weak government, crazy christian conspiracies and Christian talibanism.

You'll find that most of the people here are socialist, pro big government and welfare and secular

[–]SeasideLimbs 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're unfortunately conflating right wing ideas with conservatism

For sure. In our current, polarized culture many disparate ideologies are consumed by the concepts of "left" and "right," so I figured I would just name all the views I object to that are generally considered under the "right" umbrella.

You'll find that most of the people here are socialist, pro big government and welfare and secular

That's interesting! I assume by "we" you mean the alt-right? I was aware already that there was a big ideological gap when it comes to religion (most people who self-identified as alt-right have been atheists in my experience, though with some varying respect for religion.)

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, the ideology espoused here is third positionism.

That is a belief in spirituality over materialism, left wing economics, nationalism, social conservatism and self determination for peoples.

Its vastly different than conservatism which is just one big excuse to shovel money into the coffers of the rich