Can anything short of divine intervention, save the West and the planet at large?

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[–]DragonerneJesus is white 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks. Interesting approach.
I come from an aristocratic family and I know this IRL although I've never been so explicit/direct as you. I'm more a listener and nod kind of guy I guess. Subversive like them you could say :D
This is what marxist ideology does on the elite. Some might think it's an ideology for the poor but it seperates the elite from its own people and creates an allegiance between jiz and our elite. Because suddenly the jiz and our elite is "allied" fighting against the poor. It's like when the left attacks a cuckservative with a label like alt-right and the cuckservative starts accepting this label. The poor distances themselves from their own elite while the jiz tells the elite that they're their allies. It's a good move on their part.
I told a guy from another former-aristocratic family, who was acting cocky, arrogant and above everyone else because people whined about the jiz, that his entire attitude was of their making and showed him that he might think of them as allies but they're not. It hit him hard - like existentially hard.
They're so sneaky and smart though. It's actually impressive. Very destructive but fascinating. It's like they do everything you're not supposed to do but behind a shield acting as if it's a noble act. Motte and bailey style.
It's all about ethos and patos, and a good chunk of concern trolling. If they want A, they create an unrelated situation Q, where the propor response for you is A or something that will eventually lead to or move towards A.

[–]yesofcoursenaturally 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I come from an aristocratic family and I know this IRL although I've never been so explicit/direct as you.

A principle and underappreciated value of anonymity is the ability to be honest and direct, not just with others, but with oneself. I overdo it at times - there's value in being diplomatic, and I can get too punchy, too quick - but I don't think many people understand the value of real honesty in expressing one's thoughts. A big risk of being subversive is subverting yourself in the process. Our habits determine what we are.

They're so sneaky and smart though. It's actually impressive.

The odd thing is, I think that reputation is overblown. What I dealt with wasn't brilliance, it was clumsiness. Consistently.

In fact, the funny thing i: I spent most of my life having very high opinions of orthodox Jews. I was and still am principally Catholic, I was a National Review reader (even if I picked up American Conservative at launch), American Spectator, etc. Ben Stein was, to me, the principle example of an orthodox Jew, and I thought he took some valorous stances - on pro-life issues, on Intelligent Design, etc. So I was predisposed to think well and highly of them.

Then I started talking to them personally. One on one.

Maybe it's the fact that I'd talk to Israeli Orthodox Jews. They seem way more mask-off, because they're so used to being around (and fighting) fellow Jews. Suddenly I've got guys shitting on Christ without provocation while I'm trying to be nice in conversation, talking openly about how 'I'd die for my atheist liberal Jewish brothers, and Europe has to pay for their crimes against us' and so on. It's not subtle.

That said, they can be crafty, but I don't think it comes across well in debate/interaction. They shine when they get to control the message, and it's one way: a book, a movie, a press release, a quote, a statement. Symbols. And that's where the right has to do its work.

[–]DragonerneJesus is white 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They're very good with symbols and they believe in all sorts of magic.
I never had your experience. To be honest my own personal experiences with them has made it extremely hard to accept alt-right ideas. What made me more susceptible was that I was brought up culturally Catholic in a culturally protestant country but was encouraged to be an atheist as a teenager. I was madly into science, einstein etc. I studied all kinds of big thinkers and philosophy too. I stumbled upon some youtube personalities that were fun to watch, don't hate me!, and then I had you guys memeing everywhere and factually destroying everyone on the topics I cared to research. But you guys wouldn't stop about the jiz. And I couldn't get myself to research that topic because I was and still am scared that I might agree. But when I looked at all the personalities that I'd watched, they were part of the jiz, and they were hypocritical as you guys were pointing out, and all - or most of - my heroes from my teenage years, also jiz. I always thought they were white. And then I learned that judaism isn't just a religion but an ethnoreligion. I never cared, I always thought they just believed in the old testament and not the new. The thing is that the jiz in my family and friends are very anti-immigration and hate arabs. I'm currently in the cognitive dissonance stage, you could say.

[–]IRONICALLY_A_NAZI 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being scared of the truth is cringe. Be a man.

I understand and was there once. Everything makes more sense when you realize they fucking hate you. They use their symbols and dark magic (media, hollywood, fiat currency) to control every pillar of society. When every israel bill is bipartisan you should know that this proves despite disagreements left/right wise in Jewish groups, they all know they have 1 common goal in mind. Their supremacy and homeland.