Debate a "leftist"

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[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (38 children)

I did tell you what I want to debate, it's what you addressed at the bottom. Bigotry is treating people differently based on some aspect of their identity rather than their actions. Centuries of racial discrimination lead to racial tension lead to societal unrest like what we see today with the BLM protests and accompanying riots and reactions.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

Ok - but how much validity do we grant to people's feelings? What does BLM want for blacks that we haven't already given them? For instance - they have all the same rights, they have affirmative action, diversity qoutas in public and private institutions, etc

And what was the impetus for all of these ""protests"" anyways? The death of George Floyd?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (36 children)

They want the police to stop murdering black people.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

The CDC says that around 27% of people killed by police are black. A sociologist used data from Killedbypolice.net to argue that number should be 30%. The FBI puts it at 32%

By contrast, Black Americans account for 13% of the total population, 38% violent criminals, and 53% of murders. (FBI, 2017)

Black people also account for 40% of those who murder police officers, and so probably instigate around 40% of potentially lethal confrontations with the police (FBI, 2014)

So blacks are actually underrepresented amongst those killed by police relative to the rate at which they commit violent crimes. That isnt to say that blacks are never unlawfully or unnecessarily killed by police - but that blacks just don't really have anything to complain about when it comes to what the data shows about police killings. Especially when consider police only kill about ~1,000 people per year in the US this simply can't be a good excuse for the ""protests"" we are seeing

By contrast, blacks kill about 2.5x as many whites as whites kill blacks each year (BJS, p.67)

Why aren't whites rioting in the street about this?

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (34 children)

None of this is relevant to the topic

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

How is not relevant? You just said "They want the police to stop murdering black people" and I came in with multiple national datasets showing how blacks are not disproportionately "murdered" by police - and these deaths are extremely few in number regardless

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (32 children)

Whether or not the police discriminate against black people has no bearing on whether bigotry is harmful or helpful.

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Bro what even is the actual claim ?

No one disagrees with the notion "biggotry = bad". Lacking context, this statement is meaningless. You were wholly debunked on your "police must stop murdering blacks" claim, now you need something else

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

So you don't advocate racial segregation or an ethnostate?

[–]cisheteroscumWhite Nationalist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

I do advocate for those things - but such proposals are actually irrelevant to what you're talking about

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What? That doesn't make any sense.

[–]DoubleReverse[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This discussion is about whether bigotry is good or bad. I'm not here to argue with you about whether or not discrimination is occuring in a specific context.

[–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The definition of bigotry is an 'unreasonable' attachment to a prejudice, intolerance or creed. The alt right holds it's views based on reason, logic, and evidence. We are a self advocacy movement for whites. If you think self advocacy for white people is automatically bigotry than you're an anti white racist.