PoliceCuban national killed in police-involved shooting, Princes Town, Trinidad and Tobago

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[–]HopeThatHalps[S] 7 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

A lot of people are moaning about cops shooting a man armed with only a 18" chain. IMO, if you resist arrest with any kind of weapon, you're going to get shot. The thing about the chain, or any other melee weapon, it could be used to stun the cop, then take the cop's gun, and then shoot him. In fact this has happened many times. A cops' service weapon is both an advantage and a liability, but ultimately it's the perp who resists arrest who loses.

[–]Noshoes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Coming from a country with unarmed police, you'd be surprised how few people get shot during arrests, resisting or not.

[–]ElonMuskOfficial 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right, literally no other way this could have been handled. FFS, in the moment just before he's shot, there was plenty of time to at least try tasing, pepper spray, or other means on him first. Things were not out of control at that moment in time; the cop had successfully pushed him back and got some space between them with just a baton, his partner came to back him up, and the guy with a chain was standing still several feet away. There's no way the situation would have unfolded like you describe if there was another cop on the scene, which there was. Shit like this is justifiably why people don't like cops, they always resort to lethal force whenever they feel even slightly threatened. We saw for ourselves that a simple baton was proving pretty effective. With another cop, getting control of the guy to make an arrest shouldn't have been very difficult.

You said yourself that the chain itself wasn't the real threat here, it's that the victim might have tried to go for the cop's gun, but that applies in literally every situation. You aren't describing the danger of encountering someone with a chain, you're describing the dangerous nature of police work. It's exactly what they knowingly signed on for. Even when the threat is not readily lethal and other methods would likely be just as effective, plus not result in anyone's death, cops still reach for their gun without a second thought. You'd think supposedly trained professionals would have a little bit more finesse and expertise. Why should we let cops be judge, jury, and executioner for crimes that wouldn't normally carry a death sentence if they actually did their jobs right?

[–]Noshoes 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure, police are trained, but at least in the US police training literally tells you you will have great sex if you kill someone.

[–]HopeThatHalps[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.cnc3.co.tt/cuban-national-killed-in-police-involved-shooting/

Police shot and killed a Cuban national in Princes Town this morning after he attacked a police officer.

The deceased has been identified as 53-year-old Carlos Manuel Olivere, a street dweller.

Police said around 10:15 am, two municipal police officers were on mobile patrol when they saw Olivere and another man fighting. They stopped to investigate and as they came out of the vehicle, the men ran off.

One of the officers went in pursuit of Olivere and caught up with him by the Triangle. Olivere reportedly began struggling with the officer, striking him several times with a commercial chain on his arm and head, resulting in injury. The other officer then shot Olivere once in the chest.

In a video showing the man’s body on the ground, a man is heard voicing his disapproval over the situation.

“That man had no gun, nothing. Shoot a man at point blank,” he complained.

Investigators took possession of an 18-inch long chain.

The scene was visited by Insp Mohammed and other officers. Several persons who were on the scene were interviewed by the police.

Enquires are ongoing.