PoliceLiveleak.com - 20 year old stabs step dad, charges cops with knife, predicts his own death. Action starts at 2:17 real action starts at around 3:40

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[–]beefer 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Shows how ineffective tazers can be. I highly doubt a social worker would have come out of that unwouded or alive. Although, good chance they would've let him just walk away, then wait for the Mom and brothers to be stabbed killed, then call the police. I'd like the Mom, StepDad, and brothers explain to all the 'defund the police' advocates how they would have felt if no police had been available or a SW was sent to 'help' them.

[–]Branflakes143 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What a lot of people are advocating is actually that the social workers would accompany the armed officers on these sorts of calls. The social worker would lead the interaction with the person having a mental health episode, while the armed officer would supervise and only intervene if the situation called for escalation of force.

What we have now, is that armed officers (Who rarely, if ever, have training on how to de-escalate situations with mentally unstable people), are initiating and leading the interactions, and quite often, the officers escalate to the point of having to shoot. But if we could have someone more specialized who can try and talk that person down, then the armed officers could step in and detain them once they've been talked down by the social worker.

So in your scenario, that wouldn't happen because if the social worker can't talk him down (And he tries running or going to hurt his family), then the armed officer could use appropriate force.