Michigan: Muslim cleric calls US a “police state,” says Khomeini shows how to “liberate the globe”

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[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (32 children)

i remember how iran attacked a few american bases in iraq with missiles after trump have one of their major generals killed. that was recently.

i also know about iranian military support to some of his proxies in the middle east that result in terrorist attacks.

and the primary target of iran is not america, it is israel as we all know. and the secondary target is not america either, it is saudi arabia.

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i also know about iranian military support to some of his proxies in the middle east that result in terrorist attacks.

Yeah, all violent political conflict among Muslims is "terrorism" but when we go there to do illegal drone strikes and kill innocent civilians against international opinion, we're bringing "freedom" to brown savages who wouldn't have any conception of freedom without our intervention, right?

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What you call "Islamic extremism" I call authoritarian, democratic Muslim populism. The royal families in the Middle East where given their power politically, economically and militarily by their European masters. However, in countries like Iran and Pakistan where authoritarian religious policies do pop up, people do want it to some extent even though they inevitably don't agree with the implementation and it is a democratic process. The issue going on in Muslim societies is similar to the one going on here in many ways once you strip away the religious framework, it is basically a battle of authoritarian collectivism, particularly in a democratic framework where mob justice can rule, infringing on freedom and ruining culture!

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

the problem, which i try to point out is that terrorism is being exported to other parts of the world and is manifested as not a 'conflict among muslims' but as jihad.

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a 'conflict among muslims' but as jihad.

Not one Muslim I have talked to in a lifetime of being around Muslims across the Middle East and Asia has considered "jihad" (translated to religious struggle) as a military operation against "infidels". That is such a bastardization of the theology. Sure, you could interpret an aspect of jihad to mean militant self defense in the same spirit as the second amendment but any theological focus of this "religious struggle" centers around the self. "Jihad" is just a religious struggle against your own ego (referred to as "jihad al nafs" or religious struggle against the soul/self) and its tendency to lure you into sin. Even the most puritan of so called jihadis has to create a narrative of self-defense and battle against injustice for there to be any credibility to the claims theologically. The puritans only have credibility if there are injustices for them to exploit. You have clearly only heard about "jihad" from the media and not from Muslims directly. You really that concerned about Muslims battling their own egos in the west?

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

i am, if the only way they can beat their own egos is by blowing themselves up or by driving cars, trucks and buses into pedestrian westerners.

can you beat your ego by stabbing people of other races and religions? i guess it is all a matter of conditioning and beliefs. but i have a suspicion that they don't subscribe to the same definition of jihad as yourself!

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i am, if the only way they can beat their own egos is by blowing themselves up or by driving cars

First of all, the suicide bombing thing is traced to Palestinian reactions to Israel. That is where it started happening and then the Israelis subsequently used the "suicide bomber" trope to commit more false flags and smear Islam internationally. If I wanted to bring religious Islamic law to the West, I wouldn't blow myself up, I'd want to be around for the so called utopia. Either way, that isn't the agenda any Muslim has from what I can tell. According to the most authoritative of Muslim sources, committing suicide under any circumstances is not allowed. You're trying to understand wartime circumstances while having the ability to recognize non of the nuance.

can you beat your ego by stabbing people of other races and religions?

If you're talking about France and Britain, those issues are complex. Religion might even play a significant role but it definitely isn't what you think. Look into the role intelligence agencies play in propping up these events into crisis, that is more insightful if you want to actually make sense of the world.

i have a suspicion that they don't subscribe to the same definition of jihad as yourself!

This is how I know you've never talked to a Muslim about jihad and have just heard media sources. Literally 99% of Muslims believe what I told you about jihad across all partisan and sectarian lines.

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

the influx of military aged male 'refugees' it still an invasion and thus jihad (in the negative sense) and their refusal to assimilate into western culture amounts to the same. to say nothing of the parasitism exhibited on western social systems. using natality 'bombs' is also a hostile act against the west.

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the influx of military aged male 'refugees' it still an invasion and thus jihad (in the negative sense) and their refusal to assimilate into western culture amounts to the same.

LMAO, I'm just going to stop responding and let you do your own research on this one. I've given you enough context to do some deeper research. It might help to ask why are there so many refugees to begin with before using them as a scapegoat for any problems, real or imagined. Why are the people of Iraq, Syria and Palestine refugees to begin with? Every genuine Syrian refugee I've met would prefer to be home regardless of how it is, no one wants to leave their home. Of course, those people had no choice, they don't immigrate out of choice but necessity and they do have a lot of resentment and desire to go back. People like me who immigrate out of choice typically love the countries they go to and are productive members of the countries they go to or at the very least, they don't hate the country otherwise they wouldn't go. Man, you have to look at people as humans. Here, if a child gets bullied, we're concerned about "mental health issues" yet you don't think that refugees suffer from "mental health issues"? Of course they do, the issue is more complex than "Islam makes people evil" but ya'll will still go into these countries and destroy them, effectively destroying any chance of intellectual, economic or social progress and turn around and blame Islam for causing the problems because it keeps the system going!

[–]useless_aether[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

you failed to address my concerns, which is typical in my experience. instead you went defensive and abusive, which is a perpetual leitmotif in your posts. if they are nut cases, they belong behind closed doors, not in a western society.

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instead you went defensive and abusive, which is a perpetual leitmotif in your posts.

You serious? If anything, YOU didn't address any of my refutation of your central claim behind the post. The insinuation about religion here is pretty serious and I do feel the need to be a bit defensive because no one else will come to the defense of my point. Also, most other Muslims would have considered your line of questioning abusive but I'm not one of them. I legit tried to understand your points every step of the way. I also try my best to be reasonable and engage in a discussion but I do get annoyed and that is always clear in my tone. Regardless, I always provide substance. You on the other hand just keep handing out claims which sound appealing but which fail to gain any insight outside of talking points you've been fed from elsewhere.

You want to talk about Muslims ramming cars into civilians? I was perfectly willing to talk about it and I gave you my counter argument the best I could. At the end of the day, I think you were way less persuasive than me but neither of us thought we could change each other's mind anyway. I hope you at least get some insight into a narrative which fundamentally disagrees with your own. Let me also remind you that the mainstream media isn't talking about Muslims ramming cars into civilians in America right now, they are talking about "right wing extremists" ramming cars into civilians. I'm sure that will hit home for you a bit more and illustrate my point when I say that the same tactics used to smear and silence Muslims on an international level are going to be used against you and you are going to be too blinded by the Muslim and black boogeymen to even adequately identify the problems in your society.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

driving cars, trucks and buses into pedestrian westerners.

Most of those events were PsyOps orchestrated by Mossad and state intelligence agencies.

FugerFees, a anon researcher, doxxed by Hasbara and currently an idiot is impersonating him, for 4 years exposed all of these events. Obtaining FOIA info and actually going to the events. It was amazing work that few people have ever seen. I have some of his research saved locally somewhere.

He showed me without a doubt that these events are indeed security contractor, intelligence agency PsyOps.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You mean all of those PsyOp western terror attacks? How many have there been now? 50?

The goal has always been to instill fear and they will continue to orchestrate and/or fabricate western terror attacks in order to keep populations fearful and apathetic to war and intervention.

I could show you solid proof that many of the terror attacks in the west in the 21st century are highly coordinated PsyOps. Sometimes they are real events, other times, like in Belgium they are laughably staged with a host of characters and intelligence agents.

It is too bad I'm unable to link anything, the powers that not be have censored and memory-holed all of the material that was freely avaliable for around 9 years. If anything those 9 years of uncensored exposes by independent researchers will be a time of the past. The window has closed for now, hopefully a new uncensored research platform can emerge.

Those 9 years have illustrated to me just how far "intelligence" agents will go to manage public perception. They always create a boogyman.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

lol