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[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

there is a subset of "classical Marxists", for lack of a better term, who see gender ideology as more of a neoliberal/corporate product (which I agree with - to an extent.) Though they tend to hand-wave away the support within leftist academia, and how much it has attached itself to the Marxist cause.

That's explicitly true. The whole gender bullshit aligns perfectly with liberalism and a right wing framework of gender. Yes i fully understand that people who call themselves leftists, marxists, communists, etc are all bought into the trans stuff but i really can't think of a way to make the puzzle pieces fit in a way that could make the gender ideology be a leftist concept. I generally attribute it to these people being bat shit crazy and that nothing they say regarding gender makes sense anyway. They can call themselves leftists just as much as they can call themselves nonbinary. That doesn't mean it makes sense.

[–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think it works toward abolishing gender roles, which Marxists would think are imposed upon society (oppressing women) by way of capitalism. Leftists seem very confused to me about their position on gender and gender identity.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Gender abolitionists are quite opposed to transgender ideas. Those people are the radical feminists who got renamed to "TERFs" before they just started calling everyone who mildly disagreed with them a TERF. I agree there is a lot of confusion but it feels like a psyop to fuck with leftists because then we can never talk about ending wars or corporate greed.

[–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think corporatists/monopolists have been exploiting Marxist/socialist ideas for a long time. They don't want a full Marxist revolution, but like the idea of the state protecting their monopolies and gambling on state actions that they themselves can coerce and predict. Marxist language itself is used to curry favour, even if it contains no actual Marxism.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Marxist language itself is used to curry favour, even if it contains no actual Marxism.

Well that's a good point and it's similar to what liberals do with leftist language in general. like people like Pelosi or Clinton legitimately believe they are "on the left" because they talk about invading and occupying Afghanistan in the context of putting girls in school.

At the same time you get people enforcing a gender hierarchy like "that girl is a boy because she likes to fix cars." While calling that leftist or using Marxist language as you say. No that shit is extremely hierarchical and therefore right wing.

It doesn't help that they all constantly self identify as leftist Marxist etc so everyone who sees this just points at them and says "see the left is like this."

For some reason i don't see this inverted self labelling happen on the right except recently in the context of populism. Populists are now claiming to be "right wing" and are being labeled as such by the media but populism is by definition left wing. It also happens a bit with libertarians who sort of horse shoe around to almost advocating for communism but with property rights.