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[–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have heard of psychogenic illnesses, so I don't need much convincing that this is a real phenomenon. The astounding variety of new deviancies such as autogynephile - which i'll admit to never having heard of - convinces me something is afoot here. Homosexuality has been around a long time, and we see it in animals - this new alphabet soup of everyone has their own 'custom' sexual deviancy seems unprecedented in psychiatric literature.

This reminds me of the Universe 25 experiments, which inspired the Rats of NIMH. This psychologist Calhoun put a bunch of Mice in a 'utopia'. There was plenty of room, and all the food was provided for them with no effort required. What was unusual about these experiments, is that the Mice population expanded for a while, but they ran out social roles before they ran out of space - and this caused an enormous increase in sexual deviancy amongst the Mice (among other problems).

It's a fascinating experiment about social roles and all kinds of mental illness type behaviors if you aren't familiar with it. It also makes me fearful of seemingly good idea like Andrew Yangs UBI. Yes, I want to ensure a good standard of living for people, but I am afraid if we let robots take the jobs, while Bezos et al runs the world, and supplies us our UBI via taxes, that we end up like the rats provided their version of a UBI in Universe 25.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You mean a fall of rome situation?

[–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the conclusion of the experiment was that our mental health as social animals is dependent upon having a social role. Food procurement (or working) is one of the major ways animals and humans organize these social roles. When there were more animals than roles, mental illness, agression, sexual deviancy, and anxiety were rampant among them and society broke down. Essentially describing types of sociogenic illnesses, although I don't know that Calhoun ever uses this term.

As for a connection to the fall of Rome, I'm not sure honestly. Human societies are obviously more complex than mice societies, but similarities do exist obviously. I've heard various theories surrounding the fall of Rome, my favorite is that societies grow in complexity, but that there is diminishing returns to more layers of bureaucracy, and eventually all societies just collapse under the weight of it all. My theory on UBI I guess is not this - it's that unlike most other societies this would cause a collapse due to mass 'sociogenic illness' like Calhouns mice rather than compexity.

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Why are you in favor of UBI if you feel we need to contribute to maintain an orderly society, those ideas seem in conflict to me.

[–]Antarchomachus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not in favor of it actually. I just sympathize with people who are. I can understand the appeal of taxing billionaires to ensure good living standards for all, on the surface it seems like a great idea.

[–]Antarchomachus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Realize we are getting way off topic here so I'll end this with some links for anyone who is curious.

Calhoun study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC1644264/pdf/procrsmed00338-0007.pdf

Civilization collapse in relation to complexity https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190218-are-we-on-the-road-to-civilisation-collapse