"If your trans activism does not respect women’s boundaries, fails to understand child safeguarding, belittles homosexuality and regards difference of opinion as bigotry, then your activism is the narcissism of a sociopath. You don’t need validation, you need help."

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[–]spokplumpen 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (30 children)

That's nothing, I saw someone claiming that trans women can give birth. I wish I were joking.

[–]C3P0 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (27 children)

Uterus transplants don't seem quite like science-fiction to me.

[–][deleted] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So they'll literally turn a man into a "woman" using female parts. Sorry but that's still not a woman. It's still a man with a man's DNA with women parts grafted in for some womanly functions.

[–]C3P0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

It's still a man with a man's DNA.

That part is not quite accurate. Since the uterus has female DNA, the man's body would now contain female DNA. This is very similar to The Ship of Theseus.

One might go on to argue that, even with a uterus, female arms and female legs, the person is still a man because a person is defined by their brain. Medical science is a long way away, but if it were possible, I think a male brain transplanted onto a female body would be considered a female person by the majority.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It still wouldn't be female. It would be frankenstein.

[–]C3P0 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fair enough.

[–]FediNetizen 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

The Ship of Theseus is made of replicas of all of its original parts. The question underlying the premise of the Ship of Theseus no longer applies when your wooden warship has been retrofitted with a machine gun.

If you really feel the need to bring the Ship of Theseus into this discussion, the question would be whether the modern Navy that previously declined to purchase the Ship of Theseus to use as a warship would now be interested in doing so since it has been retrofitted with a machine gun. And the answer to that question, by the way, is the same no as before.

Edit: Now that I think about it, bringing up the question of the Ship of Theseus in the context of this discussion misses the mark in two major ways, not just one. The question was never about whether the Ship of Theseus was still a ship, since the answer to that was always trivially obvious. The question was whether it was the same ship as the one that was originally built. Whether it is or isn't, that has no bearing on the discussion of whether or not a man that has had a uterus implant is still a man.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

Whether it is or isn't, that has no bearing on the discussion of whether or not a man that has had a uterus implant is still a man.

Let's retrofit the Ship of Theseus with a uterus.

Any sailors interested in test driving the Uterus of Theseus?

[–]FediNetizen 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

This brings a whole new perspective to the fact that captains typically referred to their ships as "she".

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

captains typically referred to their ships as "she".

In 2021, some captains call ships "he".

[–]ah2020 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The Theseuterus.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Fun points. It just made me think of the Ship of Theseus, which evokes the thought: "if a man replaces all his body parts with that of a female's, is he still a man?" Then you'd have to go on and define exactly what a "man" is. The law probably uses DNA, but there are some stories out there that will make you think twice.

I'll bring up chimeras now, and you can go write another paragraph about how it is irrelevant in the space allocated below.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Transplanting a uterus into a male body is still quite a ways off.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Transplanting a uterus into a male body is still quite a ways off.

Step 1: Remove testes.
Step 2: Core out penis, and invert salvaged skin.
Step 3: Um... I uh.. I got to think about this one...

I suppose the max size of a person's pagina would be constrained by the available penis skin.

Would black folks have big paginas...?

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Evidently this is a bit of an issue for kids that transition from mtf and are started on puberty blockers early. There's not enough penile tissue to create a functional "vagina". There's other tissues that they use, namely part of the colon.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00464-020-08078-2?utm_source=other&utm_medium=other&utm_content=null&utm_campaign=BSCN_2_DD01_CN_springer_article_paid_XMOL

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Currently, the most popular and described vaginoplasty technique is penile inversion with skin graft [6, 9]. Despite being the current gold standard, common drawbacks of this method include malodor, lack of natural lubrication, development of granulation tissue within the canal, and need for lifetime maintenance [6, 7, 9].

I doubt the schools discuss the lifetime of required maintenance to clean out their stinky inverted dick hole.

[–]C3P0 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Not sure how far off, but uterus transplants definitely come before head transplants.

[–]79malibu350 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

I had some wacko trying to tell me that they are already possible and that’s the reason the preference is “transphobic”. I’m a car guy myself so I used the analogy of putting a corvette engine in a minivan not making that a corvette, sure it’ll perform better and more dudes than before would be interested in driving it, but it’s still not a corvette to a purist. apparently I’m wrong and engineswapphobic as well, who knew?

[–]C3P0 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's more akin to frankenstein surgery. Good luck convincing insurance that you need a uterus. That said, I think it's possible because male heart to female patient transplants are already very common.

[–]Comatoast 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jchf.2013.09.005?articleid=1811669&

[–]C3P0 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

By posting a link with no comments, it is unclear whether you are agreeing, disagreeing or... what? Regardless, thank you, Saidit keyboard researcher.

[–]Comatoast 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Shit. I'm sorry, I got a text at the same time and went full scatterbrained. It's a medical article going over heart transplants between the sexes. Men receiving transplants from women have a higher chance of rejecting the organ. Your hearts are larger than ours are, so your body has to compensate pretty heavily.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Even with organs that men and women share there is a higher risk of transplant rejection if the organ is going male->female or female->male. Not to mention that a man's body just isn't build for a uterus.

I think that's something that'll only ever exist in science fiction. It'd probably be easier to do full brain transplants than giving men female organs.

[–]Bright_painting 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

You have nothing to worry about. It's biological impossible to do a successful uterus transplant on a male. His immune system would reject it violently and, unless he took medication that suppressed the reaction for the rest of his life, it would end up killing him in the end. Furthermore, even if his body didn't attack, the rest of his body isn't build for pregnancy. The baby wouldn't get the nutrients it needed to grow and be healthy.

[–]C3P0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's biological impossible... the rest of his body isn't build for pregnancy

Thankfully on SaidIt.net, we have you, an expert endocrinologist and surgeon to look to for guidance albeit with slightly bad grammar.

[–]Bright_painting 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I'm no expert exactly. I'm just a collage kid working her way towards a bachelor's degree in biology. (And thanks for the grammar tip. I am no star when it comes to grammar in my mother tounge, and certainly not in English, so I'm happy when people help me to find my gramatical missteps.)

[–]RedEyedWarrior 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Doesn’t surprise me that there are idiots who believe that. Ever heard of M-PREG? It’s disgusting.

[–]MyLongestJourney 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

M-PREG?

No,but after visiting the links provided by Google,now I do,and I regret everything...