Prominent Physicist Misleads Public about Prospects of Expensive Particle Collider

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Prominent Physicist Misleads Public about Prospects of Expensive Particle Collider based on eponymous YouTube podcast

They also told you that the LHC would find dark matter. Which it did not, and indeed it was never likely that it would. ... Interestingly enough, American particle physicists seem to have noticed that the tide is turning, and they’re instead rallying for a muon collider.

Fabiola Gianotti is well known from Strumia affair as she used to promote her friends and pets by gender rather than by merits and credits. The attitude of Dr. Hossenfelder is a bit anti-string politically motivated, but I'm fully with Sabine in this matter. There is a pile of exotic physics waiting for recognition within reach of cheap "tabletop" colliders. Ironically much of this physics is string theory motivated.

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The True Cost of Over $50 Billion of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN (WayBack web archive)

CERN now uses the same business model as ITER to cheat the public and the governments: it justifies every bigger spending by these previous ones. That $10 billion claimed was just a introductory completely unrealistic shot for accelerator, not including the cost of new detectors, employee and operation cost and that CERN itself asked for 21 billion Euro already. Here it's good to look into history of similar spending:

For LHC the CERN’s official website states the cost of project $4.1 Billion, but the true cost of LHC was actually at least ten times higher.. It's also worth to realize - even without new collider plans - CERN-LHC leaders already asked taxpayers for $30 billion over the next 10 years in 2014 while denying TRANSPARENCY in SCIENCE, thus making the same mistake with FPGA. Experimental results now prove these past 20 years that $50 billion was wasted because TRANSPARENCY in SCIENCE in PUBLIC WORKSHOPS and submission of articles presenting innovative technologies which are more cost-effective than the one adopted by CERN-LHC leaders, were denied.

Now CERN asks 21 billion Euro for new collider - so we can estimate, that total cost of new project will be over 210 billion euro by the same algebra. That's quite a lot money even with comparison to military spending - it roughly corresponds the Gross Domestic Product of countries like Portugal or Czech Republic. Since 2010 the Greece has been reliant on two European Union-International Monetary Fund (IMF) bailouts totalling €240bn. CERN’s official annual report for 2012 states a total budget for the personnel of $594.6 million, which is about half of operational cost. This cost for 2,512 staff employees gives an average cost per CERN employee of $236,703 (which includes Applied Physicists, Craftsmen, Engineers, Technicians and Administrative Personnel etc.). This is a 38.6% increase of the average cost per CERN employee from 2003 which was $178,300 per employee (including fringe benefits, retirement, etc.).

Of the above mentioned 10,000 people working at CERN, let’s consider the 8,500 working on the LHC project (the others are considered to work for smaller but no less important experiments). Many of them are paid by their home institute, and less than 2,500 are paid by CERN at an average cost of $120,000 per employee per year (instead of considering $236,000/employee/year) for 18 years which totals $18.36 Billion.

This is way too good business for people involved for to let it go, don't you think?

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Neil Shyminsky @professorneil weighs in on the neo - trad wife phenomenon including Nara Smith, wife of Mormon Lucky Blue Smith

One can just vonder, what applies to contemporary physicists from the above discourse.